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Post Posted: 09-10-2011, 19:53:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

1 more thing, here dmg calculator http://ragial.com/mdamage/ bagati stats si vedeti cat o sa dati dmg non crit si crit, scadeti rezi si va iese valoarea aproximativa, daca se invarte in jur la alea e bine, daca nu nu
puteti baga cat sp vreti, cu trinkete procuite etc, zicea unu ca trb 20k sp sa dai 40k crit, asta arata ca doar 10k, care o fii mintind?


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Post Posted: 09-10-2011, 22:00:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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1 more thing, here dmg calculator http://ragial.com/mdamage/ bagati stats si vedeti cat o sa dati dmg non crit si crit, scadeti rezi si va iese valoarea aproximativa, daca se invarte in jur la alea e bine, daca nu nu
puteti baga cat sp vreti, cu trinkete procuite etc, zicea unu ca trb 20k sp sa dai 40k crit, asta arata ca doar 10k, care o fii mintind?



Nu stiu cat de mult minte asta postat de tine, dat fiind faptul ca iti arata direct numarul final, fara metoda de calcul, dar primul minte grav. E pe atat de prost facut cat e de irelevant.

E irelevant pentru ca numerele de acolo sunt batute in cuie, ceea ce nu se va intampla aproape niciodata intr-un PvP encounter, si lasand deoparte procuri, buffuri, debuffuri, ma refer in special la Mastery. In calculul ala e luat in considerare doar base mastery, ca si cum ai avea 0 in rest. Deci probabil ca ti-ar trebui 20k spellpower (daca calculul ar fi corect) in cazul in care ai avea +0 mastery (doar base). Si sa fim seriosi, aratati-l pe ala care face PvP cu 0 mastery si da Ice Lance-uri de 30-40k. Cu cat creste mastery, cu atat scade numarul necesar de spell power.

Si in al doilea rand e prost facut pentru ca nu e calculat bine acel 2x multiplier against frozen targets de la Ice Lance. E pur si simplu adaugat in calcul, insa spre deosebire de Mastery bonus si FoF bonus (si altele) ala nu e aditiv, ci se adauga abia dupa ce ai pus toate celelalte bonusuri. Multiplierul nu se raporteaza la 100% initial Ice Lance damage, ci la damage-ul total modificat de alte bonusuri.



Postam matematici frumoase scrise de altii, dar e greu sa gandim cu capul nostru.

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dude, e postat pe arenajunkies, site care se ocupa special cu asta, cel mai renumit in materie de pvp, cumsa minta? acolo iti introduci statsurile si ala iti calculeaza dmgu, easy dude.

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dude, e postat pe arenajunkies, site care se ocupa special cu asta, cel mai renumit in materie de pvp, cumsa minta? acolo iti introduci statsurile si ala iti calculeaza dmgu, easy dude.



Ma omule, eu nu de ala ma luam. Eu vorbeam de ala cu 20k spell power pt 40k crit, postat mai la inceput. Ala postat de tine pare credibil.

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Post Posted: 10-10-2011, 10:44:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Shay, formulele tale sunt gresite :

http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/207362-mage-pvp-calculators/

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Post Posted: 10-10-2011, 11:10:46 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Shay, formulele tale sunt gresite :

http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/207362-mage-pvp-calculators/


M-am lasat de discutia asta pana se reduce mastery si nu mai primesc mages FoF din faptul ca arunca cu un critter in tine. Btw, pvp mage calculator e facut in 4.1, deci tb scazut 10% damage din ce scrie acolo.
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[Fingers of Frost] bonus damage applied to [Ice Lance] has been increased to 25%, up from 15%.

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Post Posted: 10-10-2011, 11:52:37 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Btw, pvp mage calculator e facut in 4.1, deci tb scazut 10% damage din ce scrie acolo.
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[Fingers of Frost] bonus damage applied to [Ice Lance] has been increased to 25%, up from 15%.


Chiar si asa dmg pe care il vad eu este destul de apropiat cu cifrele de acolo . Ramane de vazut cum o sa fie - 6 mastery .

Ice Lance va fi buffed , ca sa vezi... -

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Post Posted: 10-10-2011, 17:03:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Da uitate aici dmg cu icelance buffed.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=18OMwkhv5bU:


Asta da la best gear 20k max dmg cu icelance cu procs, fara da 16k si 20k fbolt. Aici dai mai mult cu icelance decat cu fbolt.
In afara de nova de la pet, omu ala are 2,3 procuri de fof si 2,3 de ffire in 3 minute. E ceva foarte suspect cu procurile de la mag pe freakz. Spamezi icelance si iti intra nonstop instante+fof. Te bate gcdu ca mage, iti fac proc unele peste altele.




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Post Posted: 10-10-2011, 17:17:19 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

honourless, asta e pe alt patch 100%, vicious gladiator title sa dat dupa 4.2, noi suntem pe 4.0.6, sau schimbat multe intretimp, atat ca gear cat si ca spelluri, coeficienti etc.
ala da chiar spre sfarsit 20k non proc, cu procuri dadea 30k (daca ar avea 2 trinkete pve, si enchantu weapojn procuit si ench back-asta in caz ca esti human)


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Asta era si ideea (mane) pe patch urmator a fost buffat dmg la icelance cu 10%.
A da si sa nu uitam de partea asta:
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In afara de nova de la pet, omu ala are 2,3 procuri de fof si 2,3 de ffire in 3 minute. E ceva foarte suspect cu procurile de la mag pe freakz. Spamezi icelance si iti intra nonstop instante+fof. Te bate gcdu ca mage, iti fac proc unele peste altele.


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Asta da la best gear 20k max dmg cu icelance cu procs, fara da 16k si 20k fbolt. Aici dai mai mult cu icelance decat cu fbolt.
In afara de nova de la pet, omu ala are 2,3 procuri de fof si 2,3 de ffire in 3 minute. E ceva foarte suspect cu procurile de la mag pe freakz. Spamezi icelance si iti intra nonstop instante+fof. Te bate gcdu ca mage, iti fac proc unele peste altele.


Da , da dmg la best gear PE best gear + Soul link (probabil si glyph)

Nu te mai deranja cu exagerarile si ignoranta, mai mult strici decat ajuti aici . Am numarat eu procurile pentru tine daca tie ti-a fost lene , au fost 11 FoF si 4-5 Brain freeze in exact 2 minute de combat cu Los si Cc gameplay.
Nu spamezi Ice lance si iti intra non stop instante , FoF nu ia proc de pe Icelance si Brain Freeze nu ia proc de pe Ffb.

Vrei sa testezi dmg, cauta-ma in joc si testam, asta la best gear ; dar probabil preferi sa ramai la parerea ta , ca deh... e mai buna. Sau poate testam putin si un Boomkin dmg la gear decent daca tot suntem acolo.

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Asta da la best gear 20k max dmg cu icelance cu procs, fara da 16k si 20k fbolt. Aici dai mai mult cu icelance decat cu fbolt.
In afara de nova de la pet, omu ala are 2,3 procuri de fof si 2,3 de ffire in 3 minute. E ceva foarte suspect cu procurile de la mag pe freakz. Spamezi icelance si iti intra nonstop instante+fof. Te bate gcdu ca mage, iti fac proc unele peste altele.


Normal ca dai mai mult cu icelance decat cu fbolt, Ice Lance e facut sa il dai cand targetul e frozen/ai FoF pe tine; cand dai fbolt nu prea tii cont de asta.
Si e ceva foarte suspect doar in mintea ta, nu stiu unde ai vazut tu mage sa spameze Ice Lance si sa "ii intre nonstop instante+fof". Probabil asa ai conceput tu intr-un nerd rage cand ai luat bataie de la vreun mage. Sa fim seriosi, din tot topicul asta de 5 pagini, nici macar o pagina nu strangi de posturi serioase, numa' pamfleturi.

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Nu stiu unde ai vazut tu mage sa spameze Ice Lance si sa "ii intre nonstop instante+fof". Probabil asa ai conceput tu intr-un nerd rage cand ai luat bataie de la vreun mage.

Go la bug report daca eu imi "imaginez" prostii si astept QQ acolo.




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Nu stiu unde ai vazut tu mage sa spameze Ice Lance si sa "ii intre nonstop instante+fof". Probabil asa ai conceput tu intr-un nerd rage cand ai luat bataie de la vreun mage.

Go la bug report daca eu imi "imaginez" prostii si astept QQ acolo.



Vad ca tot o tii pe a ta si tare. Fa-ti un mag si da Ice Lance-uri pana o iei razna, si daca procuieste o singura data FoF sau BF eu imi sterg contu'.

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Vad ca tot o tii pe a ta si tare. Fa-ti un mag si da Ice Lance-uri pana o iei razna, si daca procuieste o singura data FoF sau BF eu imi sterg contu'.

Esti invitatul meu sa il stergi



PS: Sper ca o faci in seara asta.... iar daca esti prea slab sa o faci, te rog nu mai posta nimic la bug report.




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