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Post Posted: 13-11-2011, 19:18:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Nu da dmg cat ar trebui (crit dmg si normal dmg este acelasi) sper sa se inteleaga din printuri.
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Post Posted: 14-11-2011, 01:06:49 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Posteaza si tu un combat log, nu poze care arata damage-ul dat "in aer", sa scrie clar ca de la Kill Command a dat atat. Eu unul n-am remarcat nici o problema, o sa testez maine daca am timp si revin eu cu poze (daca nu aduci tu dovezi clare intre timp).

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Post Posted: 14-11-2011, 11:35:18 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Posteaza si tu un combat log, nu poze care arata damage-ul dat "in aer", sa scrie clar ca de la Kill Command a dat atat. Eu unul n-am remarcat nici o problema, o sa testez maine daca am timp si revin eu cu poze (daca nu aduci tu dovezi clare intre timp).

Mai esti nebun? Cum sa scrii ca nu "ai remarcat" nici o problema daca nu ai testat inca -



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LightPaladin wrote:
Posteaza si tu un combat log, nu poze care arata damage-ul dat "in aer", sa scrie clar ca de la Kill Command a dat atat. Eu unul n-am remarcat nici o problema, o sa testez maine daca am timp si revin eu cu poze (daca nu aduci tu dovezi clare intre timp).


Nu e nici o problema ca dai dmg mai mic cu 3-4k, nu e nici o problema ca ai 2% crit chance chiar daca ai Improved Kill Command,nu e nici o problema ca dai crit max de 10k cand normal ar trebui sa dai de la 20k in sus.


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Post Posted: 14-11-2011, 17:40:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Al meu abia da 5-6 k si voi vorbiti de 10k...lol
Mm Speck...Pet: Cat

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Post Posted: 14-11-2011, 17:55:32 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

mildocast wrote:
LightPaladin wrote:
Posteaza si tu un combat log, nu poze care arata damage-ul dat "in aer", sa scrie clar ca de la Kill Command a dat atat. Eu unul n-am remarcat nici o problema, o sa testez maine daca am timp si revin eu cu poze (daca nu aduci tu dovezi clare intre timp).

Mai esti nebun? Cum sa scrii ca nu "ai remarcat" nici o problema daca nu ai testat inca -


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Post Posted: 14-11-2011, 17:59:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Mai esti nebun? Cum sa scrii ca nu "ai remarcat" nici o problema daca nu ai testat inca -


Joc Hunter pe BM cam zilnic, asa ca pot spune linistit ca "nu am remarcat", ce bine ar fi daca nu ai da raspunsuri impertinente fara sa fi in cunostinta de cauza.

Intre timp, am facut teste cum trebuie (ca OP-ul are lene mare pe el aparent).

Non-criticals:
1. http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5849/wowscrnshot111411172812.jpg (10120)
2. http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8171/wowscrnshot111411173002.jpg (10036)

Criticals:
1. http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/899/wowscrnshot111411172820.jpg (11930)
2. http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3492/wowscrnshot111411173014.jpg (11186)

Critline pet: (e un addon care arata max damage dat cu ceva, prima valoare e non-critical iar a doua critical)
1. http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4567/wowscrnshot111411173027.jpg (10402 / 11930)

Mentionez ca sunt pe Beast Mastery, 345 iLevel, pet Core Hound (dupa cum se vede).

Am testat si cu Spirit Beast, da cu ~1000 damage mai putin, atat pe atacurile non-critical, cat si pe cele critical.

Din ce remarc, criticalele dau cu doar ~1000 damage mai mult decat atacurile normale. Cat despre sansa de critical, din 4 Kill Command cate am dat, dupa cum se vede doua au fost critical si doua non-critical, deci nu cred ca e asa mica sansa cum te plangi.

adiy wrote:
Nu e nici o problema ca dai dmg mai mic cu 3-4k, nu e nici o problema ca ai 2% crit chance chiar daca ai Improved Kill Command,nu e nici o problema ca dai crit max de 10k cand normal ar trebui sa dai de la 20k in sus.


Fi atent ce scrie la descrierea video-ului asta: https://youtube.com/watch?v=21z6TPB2Hco:



Citez:
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Beast Mastery did very nice, beating all of the rogue specs on the dummy tests. I found that taking Kill Command out of the rotation caused no significant change in DPS, and made the rotation simpler.


Cat despre damage-ul pe care ar trebui sa-l dea Kill Command, se vede si in video de mai sus. am dat random pe la 07:00, a dat un Kill Command si a dat 5080 non-critical. dupaia 5090 tot non-critical, dupaia 10182 critical, dupa care trece la dat DPS "pe bune" si da 4744 non-critical.
Mentionez ca are 333 iLevel Hunterul respectiv, in timp ce eu am 345 dupa cum spuneam mai sus.

As zice ca da destul de grav Kill Command asa cum e acum, eventual chiar ar trebui scazut damage-ul (nu da criticalul cat non-critical, ci invers).

Sper sa nu se mai treazeasca vreun zeu in ale gaming-ului sa-mi dea lectii, studiati treaba si dupaia veniti sa faceti flame inutil. L2P.

No real bug here. (exceptand cazul in care poate aduce cineva dovezi mai clare ca ale mele)


Edit: De plictiseala, am calculat si cat ar trebui sa dea, folosind formula de pe WoWHead ((849 + (RAP * 0.516))*1), mi-a dat 6952. Concluzie, stop crying, in momentul de fata da cu ~4000 mai mult decat ar trebui pe non-criticale.


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Post Posted: 14-11-2011, 19:21:14 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Sa scada dmgul de la Kill Command?-
Buna gluma asta.

Nu ma iau dupa video ala insa in schimb te-as ruga sa te uiti la videoul asta
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KfUcIQ42RMc:



Se vede cum prinde si criticale de 20-22k si damage normal intre 8-10k.

Si stai linistit ca si eu joc numai BM.

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Post Posted: 14-11-2011, 19:36:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Cand vrei sa testezi un damage, nu testezi in PvP, ci pe Dummy, deoarece in "live combat" ai diverse buff care iti afecteaza damage. Pe langa asta, tipul ala iti garantez eu ca are gear cu mult peste gearul de 4.0.6 pe el.

Asteptam parerea unui GM, nu stau sa o dau in polemice cu voi pe o tema ca asta. Am argumentat ce-am avut de argumentat, astept sa aduca cineva dovezi solide care contrazic ceea ce am postat eu. (nu video cu PvP din 4.2.0 sau alte speculatii)


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Cat timp asteptam sa ne raspunda un GM gandestete la asta

Ti se pare corect ca un MM hunter sa poata sa dea crituri de 30k+ cu Aimed shot si Chimera Shot in timp ce BM sa dea max 11k? Crezi ca blizzardu nu si gandit la asta?

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Realizezi ca dai 11k cu O ABILITATE, nu? Pe langa aia, ai autoattack la pet, diverse abilitati ale petului, ai Arcane Shot care e nelipsit, ai autoattack tau, etc...

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LightPaladin wrote:
: De plictiseala, am calculat si cat ar trebui sa dea, folosind formula de pe WoWHead ((849 + (RAP * 0.516))*1), mi-a dat 6952. Concluzie, stop crying, in momentul de fata da cu ~4000 mai mult decat ar trebui pe non-criticale.

Si iarasi te inseli, nu ai luat in calcul ca Kill Command damage este marit de Mastery si de Happiness-ul petului (25%).



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: De plictiseala, am calculat si cat ar trebui sa dea, folosind formula de pe WoWHead ((849 + (RAP * 0.516))*1), mi-a dat 6952. Concluzie, stop crying, in momentul de fata da cu ~4000 mai mult decat ar trebui pe non-criticale.

Si iarasi te inseli, nu ai luat in calcul ca Kill Command damage este marit de Mastery si de Happiness-ul petului (25%).


Intradevar, n-am luat in considerare Mastery+Happiness. Daca le adaug, rezulta fix aia ~4000 in plus, deci da, ai dreptate. Totusi, nu inteleg de ce e asa mare damage-ul, ar trebui sa fie ceva mai mic de atat... In fine, astept sa vad ce zice un GM, mi-am batut capul prea mult pe tema acestei abilitati.


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LightPaladin wrote:
Realizezi ca dai 11k cu O ABILITATE, nu? Pe langa aia, ai autoattack la pet, diverse abilitati ale petului, ai Arcane Shot care e nelipsit, ai autoattack tau, etc...


Si pe MM sau SV nu ai autoattack de la pet plus spelurile lui +Arcane shot si autoattack etc...?

Eu ma refeream ca cu Kill Command prinzi criticalele cele mai mari, e un fel de Chimera shot al BM-ului ca sa zic asa.


Mai uitate un pic la filmutetul asta un pic

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sC5UnFd5JlY:



Scrie clar in descriere patch 4.0.3 si se vede cum da si criticale de 20k si dmg normal de 7k iar daca ne uitam un pic atenti la ce a facut blizzard in 4.0.6

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2011384

scrie clar:
•Kill Command's damage has been increased by 20%

•Beast Mastery
•Animal Handler now provides a passive 25% bonus to attack power, up from 15%.

Deci e clar ca Kill Command in 4.0.6 trebuie sa dea mai mult damage.

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Post Posted: 15-11-2011, 17:37:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

adiy wrote:
LightPaladin wrote:
Realizezi ca dai 11k cu O ABILITATE, nu? Pe langa aia, ai autoattack la pet, diverse abilitati ale petului, ai Arcane Shot care e nelipsit, ai autoattack tau, etc...


Si pe MM sau SV nu ai autoattack de la pet plus spelurile lui +Arcane shot si autoattack etc...?

Eu ma refeream ca cu Kill Command prinzi criticalele cele mai mari, e un fel de Chimera shot al BM-ului ca sa zic asa.


Mai uitate un pic la filmutetul asta un pic

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sC5UnFd5JlY:



Scrie clar in descriere patch 4.0.3 si se vede cum da si criticale de 20k si dmg normal de 7k iar daca ne uitam un pic atenti la ce a facut blizzard in 4.0.6

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2011384

scrie clar:
Kill Command's damage has been increased by 20%

Beast Mastery
Animal Handler now provides a passive 25% bonus to attack power, up from 15%.

Deci e clar ca Kill Command in 4.0.6 trebuie sa dea mai mult damage.


Ai dreptate,dmg este foarte mic,am jucat hunter pe blizz pe 406 bm si dadeam pe dummy self buufed 20k+crits si 8 9k no crit...deci se poate as fie bug ca la chimera+aimed.

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