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Post Posted: 23-11-2011, 02:03:04 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

twlsted wrote:
e simplu de calculat.

EARTH SHIELD este influentat de:

10% heal https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=16213
15% altii / 21% self https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84848
15% heal https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51881
20% heal https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=63279

are coeficientii din spell power de (28.6% per charge)
link aici : http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_power_coefficient

base heal este de 1416 HEAL: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=974 (wowhead link)

DECI CALCULE PT.UN SHAMAN RESTO CU 9000 SP:

[BASE 1416 + 2574 (9000X28.6%)] + 66% din coeficienti doar = 5688.84 HEAL SELF
SI CU 61% = 5560.14 HEAL PE ALTII (DACA SPRE EXEMPLU TARGETUL ESTE WARRIOR SI ARE TALENTUL https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84580 (wowhead link) ADAUGI LA CALCULE SI ASTA 6%)

va puteti calcula singuri healul dat de earth shield dupa formula de mai sus.

succes

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CAZUL DE MAI SUS CA A PUS SI POZA LA COLEGU DWARF SHAMAN:

6455 SP - HEAL FOR 4355 SELF in poza

din calcule daca are talentele si glyphul ar trebui sa ia heal [ 1416 + 1846.13 ]+ 66% = 4480.5758 HEAL

EL ia 4355 SELF deci pe aproape

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MAI SIMPLU SI MAI CLAR DECAT AM EXPLICAT MAI SUS NU SE POATE !
CEI CARE CRED CA DA PREA PUTIN HEAL SA INVETE MATEMATICA -

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REFERITOR LA COMPARAREA CELOR 2 POZE:
90K MANA http://imageshack.us/f/256/earthshield.jpg/ RETAIL
100K MANA http://imageshack.us/f/7/wowscrnshot112111210604.jpg/ FREAKZ

- ala are flametongue totem jos tu nu-l ai deci + 6% sp la el
- 10k mana dau o mizerie de 100 sau maxim 110sp (testeaza sa vezi) daca aia 10k mana ii ai din meta de 2% mana e clar ca nu dau spell power -
- ala are arma tier 2 tu tier 1 iar + 200 sp la el nu la tine

earth shield scaleaza cu sp-ul nu cu mana pool

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tu mi-ai calculat mie cu purification de 10%, la noi e 25%, si in rest, diferentele sunt foarte mici, 10k mana= 100 sp, el are 200 in plus de pe arma t2 (daca o fi t2, mi-e prea lene sa stau sa fac ancheta), meta cel mai probabil avea si el la fel ca mine, cu 2% mana, asa ca nu mai fi arogant cu mine, nu exista nici o posibilitate in care sa mearga bine earth shieldu pe freakz, oricat de mult ai cauta tu motive


le: ca m-am tot gandit vreo 5 minute, +2% mana inseamna maxim vreo 1.8k mana asa, si alte bonusuri pure de mana n-as avea de unde sa iau oricum, deci diferenta aia de 10k mana, oricat de mult o tragi tu de par, tot diferenta de spell power e in proportie de 98%





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Post Posted: 23-11-2011, 02:06:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

N3gativ wrote:
ai putea macar sa fii respectuos pentru ca eu nu am jignit pe nimeni... deci te rog sa iti masori cuvintele - am inteles, e normal sa imi iau 4 k heal din earth shield ... cand pe retail isi ia 6 k unul mult mai slab ca mine -
vorbeste frumos pretenas -


asa e zeule , au nerfat earth shield sa nu poti face tu arene -
Doamne daca prostia ar durea ....cata lume s-ar zvarcolii in chinuri
daca nici cu calcule / explicatii voi nu intelegeti e clar.... prostia si noobismul a ajuns la rang de cinste pe freakz.

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Post Posted: 23-11-2011, 02:15:10 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

omule, citeste ce ti-am scris mai sus si nu mai jigni oameni aiurea, singuru care nu are habar ce vorbeste aici esti tu, daca nu ai nimic constructiv de spus te rog, cat se poate de civilizat, sa-i dai drumu de aici


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Post Posted: 23-11-2011, 02:36:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

N3gativ wrote:
confirm acest bug ... da prea putin heal , aproape ca nici nu se pune spellpower (mie imi da cam 4 k dupa fix)
uite si dovada:






aaa si crit da in jur de 5.5 - 6 k - n-am inteles de ce



MAI FAC ODATA CALCULELE PE POZA PUSA DE VOI !

deci 25% DIN https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=16213 NU 10% CAT ARATA TOOLTIPUL
21% DIN https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84848
15% DIN https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51881
20% DIN https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=63279

BASE HEAL DE 1416

1416 + 1846.13 + 84% = 4812.8792 HEAL

UNDE 1846.13 ESTE COEFICIENTUL DIN SPELL POWER AL SPELULUI
UNDE 84% SUNT MULTIPLICATORII APLICATI NUMAI COEFICIENTULUI NU SI BASE HEAL

SI EL SI-A DAT 4355 ...............DIFERENTA DE 400 DE HEAL ESTE MOTIVUL ? HA HA HA HA INVATA WOW PRIETENE CA ESTI PRAF ?


SPELUL MERGE SUPER BINE AM SI EU SHAMAN SI AM TESTAT SI LA 9K SP NU AM DELOC PROBLEME IN PVP (BINE TU PT.CA ESTI ROBOT SI TE OBISNUISEI SA DAI 20K HEAL PE UN THIK DE EARTH SHIELD E NORMAL SA INTAMPINI DIFICULTATI)

REFERITOR LA CALCULE TI-AM DEMONSTRAT CA ESTI SI "RANDOM PLAYER" SI SUPER PRAF IN "WOW" ALTCEVA CE MAI VREI DIN TOPICUL ASTA ? SA-MI ARATI IN CONTINUARE CA AI POSTAT UN BUG INVALID PENTRU SIMPLUL MOTIV CA ESTI TU PRAF SI "CREZI" TU CA NU MERGE BINE ?

ASTEPT ARGUMENTE .............................................. PANA ATUNCI L2P


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REFERITOR LA ABERATIILE TALE LEGATE DE MANA, TU CREZI CA EU CALCULEZ HEALUL DAT DE EARTH SHIELD DIN POZE CU MANA? SAU DIN SPELL POWER SI DIN COEFICIENTI/TALENTE / GLYPH?
NU STAU SA INTRU IN POLEMICI SI SA-TI EXPLIC CE FACE FLAMETONGUE TOTEM VS 10K MANA PENTRU CA VAD CA NU INTELEGI

DC TE JIGNESC ? scuza-ma dar nu ma pot stapanii cand vad cat de praf esti si totusi iti dai cu parerea !


 
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+1 warn pentru jigniri.


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Post Posted: 23-11-2011, 03:44:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

in primul rand, diferenta de 400/4k inseamna cu 10% mai putin, care intr-o situatie in pve, cu sp mult mai mare, procuri and shiet, poate ajunge la 1k+/tick, adica >9k/spell, ceea ce e enorm, dar nu asta e problema

am raportat un bug, tu singur ai demonstrat ca e o diferenta intre cum da si cum ar trebuii sa dea, si totusi perseverezi in prostie

ca sunt sau nu random player, e problema mea, nu a ta, dar iarasi, nu vad cum poate sa fie acest fapt relevant in rezolvarea bugului

totusi, iti multumesc ca esti atat de prost incat mi-ai demonstrat punctul de vedere contrazicandu-te singur, acum te rog, din nou, cat se poate de respectos, DAI DRUMU DE AICI (poate cu caps intelegi, ca vad ca tu il ai blocat)



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Post Posted: 23-11-2011, 13:02:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

sa inteleg ca tu faci parte dintre aia care isi cumpara reputatie pe forum pe gold (am vazut ca e la moda).
nu te-a jignit nimeni, totusi as aprecia daca un moderator ar lua masuri.. un avertisment ceva, ca deja o dai in offtopic cu jignirile
arena merge destul de bine , multumesc pentru griji -
/edit Base heal este 2036 prietene -, atasez o poza ca sa nu mai faci tu calcule sa iti chinui neuronul

si nu imi spune ca ai pus ... pentru ca nu ai calculat bine - mie imi da 6132.72
si crede-ma ca stiu sa calculez un procent (am calculat numai din base heal si pe urma am adunat, simplu)

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Post Posted: 23-11-2011, 13:31:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu am mai intrat de vreo saptamana dar:

http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Earth-Shield-t112300.html

Problema e ca fixul la Earth Shield nu a fost facut serios, ci a fost facut sa dea valori aproximativ "reale" ca era lumea pusa pe revolta si omor ca e OP. Din ce am inteles, coeficientul de SP a fost pus un pic mai mare tocmai pentru ca nu a pus valoarea corecta la base heal.

1416 - base heal e valoarea dupa nerf-ul de 20% din 4.1 Deci tot nu ai calculat bine twlsted.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&&v=sbJa6b00DGc#t=31s


Heal cu talente si glyph ( fara sa se ia in calcul SP ) --> 2443

@twlsted - vezi ca ti-au ramas coji de seminte pe langa caps locks. Mai curata tastatura. ;)


Update:

Intrat un pic in joc: tot nu are base heal fixed. Full spec, glyphs si 120 SP - 389 heal.

7577 Spell Damage -> 5879 heal pe mine ( 15% increased healing received din spark of life ) si cu Mark of the Wild ( o sa explic de ce )

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mg8DMsCdjYE:

-> 06:03 ( are 6707 spell damage ) ( vorbesc de spell damage si nu healing pentru ca nu se vede in video decat spell damage, nu si healing - dar am aceleasi buffuri)
In acelasi video, 12:21 --> cu 3xLuck of the Draw ( 3x5% healing increase = 15% healing increase) si Mark of the Wild da 6260/tick heal Earth Shield pe feral drood.

15% healing increase de la Luck of the Draw = 15% healing increase de la Spark of Life ( self heal ).
Eu cu vreo 600 SP mai mult si aceleasi conditii dau cu ~500 mai putin heal.

Daca feralul are vreun receive bonus heal in tank corectati-ma ( Nurturing Instincts e pentru cat form only )

La final, probabil se ajunge la ~600-700 heal mai putin decat pe retail ( ~10-15% )

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Post Posted: 24-11-2011, 01:09:55 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

pe mine m-ai pierdut shay - din calcul mi-a iesit vreo ~2000 diferenta ... ar trebui sa dea cam 6k + la ce iteme am eu (si da intre 3,5 - 4,5k)
in fine deja am incetat sa il mai folosesc pentru heal pentru ca e insesizabil in arena, il folosesc pentru bonusul de heal:) si cam atat

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Post Posted: 24-11-2011, 22:24:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

so, again, nu merge cum trebuie, ne trebuie fix, atat pt pve, cat si pt pvp


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Post Posted: 24-11-2011, 23:59:55 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

pana acum nu a raspuns niciun gm ... probabil ca nici nu au vazut postul , ca sigur dadeau cateva warn-uri pe aici -
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Post Posted: 25-11-2011, 15:45:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

warn a primit necioplitu ala de mai sus, totusi speram la un fix soon


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need fix, pl0x, don't ignore -


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Post Posted: 17-12-2011, 13:56:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Da, Earth Shield e slab pe freakz.

@Freakz : 7.6k SP : 5407 heal


@Blizz post -20% nerf : 7.1k SP- 5230 heal

Patch 4.1
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Earth Shield healing done by Restoration shaman has been reduced by 20%.



Pe ambele charuri am acelasi build si glyphs

Deci lipsesc ~ 20% heal!

Cred ca e destul de concludent ca nu e corect.

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