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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 14:19:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Descrierea bugului / Bug description: In mai mult de jumate de cazuri da doar 2 tickuri in loc de 3.Daca ai reduce casting time debuf aproape intotdeauna da 2 tickuri iar daca ai prea mult haste gen power infusion+borrowed time da 4 tickuri lol.
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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 14:46:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ok....si unde este bugul?

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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 15:05:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Groovy wrote:
ok....si unde este bugul?

in wow :-s

ce nu ai inteles ca in loc de 3 tick-uri area doar 2? la al 3-lea se intrerupe catul...

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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 15:45:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Eu am testat cu priestul meu si merge ok.

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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 16:10:49 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Merge ok penance
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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 16:20:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Merge ok. Eu prind si 4 tick-uri de penance :/



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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 16:36:22 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Groovy wrote:
Eu am testat cu priestul meu si merge ok.

Pe Freakz sistemul de la channeled spells este identic cu cel de la DoTs si HoTs: in functie de cat haste ai, se adauga noi ticks per cast. Pe Blizzard nu exista asta, Penance sau Mind Flay au un numar fix de ticks indiferent de cat haste ai. Se modifica doar durata de channeling.

In PvE asta se traduce in general intr-un bug pozitiv in cele mai multe situatii, pentru ca poti casta mai multe tickuri dintr-un channeled spell pentru acelasi cost de mana. Spre exemplu orice shadow priest decent echipat va avea 4 ticks la Mind Flay. Orice disci priest cu peste 11% haste si Borrowed Time / Power Infusion va avea 4 ticks la Penance.

In PvP se poate considera si ca bug negativ, daca te alegi cu un debuff de haste gen Mind Numbing Poison ajungi sa dai mai putine ticks per cast, si consumi prin urmare mai multa mana. Efectul este si mai dramatic la DoTs sau HoTs, pentru ca pe freakz modificatorul de "casting time" este vazut tot ca haste multiplier.

Cred ca devs stiu de bug dar il considera minor, pentru ca nu exista un castig clar si macar acum exista un sistem de haste care functioneaza decent, ba chiar respecta identic haste breakpoints de pe Blizz. Atata vreme cat intelege mecanica de pe Freakz, un player va vedea acest bug ca pe un tradeoff. Paradoxal, este pentru prima oara cand implementarea de pe un server privat mi se pare mai corecta si mai curata decat cea de pe Blizz, desi asta nu inseamna ca nu ar trebui modificata pentru a replica mai bine originalul.

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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 17:48:04 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu stiu cum va merge voua bine, dar la mine 2/3 cazuri dau doar 2 tickuri de penance. Cred ca spellul e influentat de delay-ul ce se produce cand sunt on peste 2300 de playeri.
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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 18:08:12 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

e posbili, am sa testez si diseara pe la 9 sa vad.

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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 22:35:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Groovy wrote:
Pe Blizzard nu exista asta, Penance sau Mind Flay au un numar fix de ticks indiferent de cat haste ai. Se modifica doar durata de channeling.


Esti ratat ? tu macar stii cum arata retail ? Daca zici ca Mind Flay are un numar fix de ticks, sunt sigur ca nu. Iar sistemul de haste reduce/cast time increase merge cum trebuie. V-am adus poze de pe blizz acum o saptamana.



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Post Posted: 20-03-2012, 22:38:04 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nepoate vezi ca mi'ai dat quote mie cu textul altuia.

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Post Posted: 21-03-2012, 01:00:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

SwAp2188 wrote:
Groovy wrote:
Pe Blizzard nu exista asta, Penance sau Mind Flay au un numar fix de ticks indiferent de cat haste ai. Se modifica doar durata de channeling.

Esti ratat ? tu macar stii cum arata retail ? Daca zici ca Mind Flay are un numar fix de ticks, sunt sigur ca nu.

Nu Groovy a afirmat cele de mai sus, ci eu. Daca eu sunt ratat, te invit sa le explici asta si membrilor de forumul Blizzard care afirma exact ce am spus eu aici pentru Penance si aici pentru Mind Flay. Unul din threaduri este de pe patch 4.0.3 si al doilea de pe patch 4.0.6

Daca preferi ceva mai recent, poti deasemenea sa-i explici ca este ratat si celui care intretine ghidul de Discipline Priest pe Elitist Jerks pe patch 4.3:
elitist jerks wrote:
By now we all should be familiar with how haste affects spells with HOTs/DOTs, but its important to understand
that it also affects Channeled spells. Some spells (ie. Mind flay and Penance) cannot gain additional ticks of
themselves, but can reduce the overall channel time.


In rest iti recomand prieteneste sa-ti temperezi tonul pe forum: am avea toti de castigat din asta.

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Post Posted: 21-03-2012, 01:28:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

In link-ul despre mind flay nu vad nici o sursa oficiala blizzard care sa posteze vreo confirmare la ceea ce zici tu. Numa anonimi ca si tine care vorbesc aiurea. E stresant sa vezi pe forum topics de la toti nepriceputii despre cum ar trebui sa fie/ce ar trebui sa fie.


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Post Posted: 21-03-2012, 10:18:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

sub nici o forma nu poti da mai mult de 3 tickuri sau mai putin.
end of discussion.

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Post Posted: 21-03-2012, 10:48:27 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

SwAp2188 wrote:
In link-ul despre mind flay nu vad nici o sursa oficiala blizzard care sa posteze vreo confirmare la ceea ce zici tu. Numa anonimi ca si tine care vorbesc aiurea. E stresant sa vezi pe forum topics de la toti nepriceputii despre cum ar trebui sa fie/ce ar trebui sa fie.



Cun sa spui ma ca nu vezi nicio sursa oficiala blizzard. Trebuie sa vina Directorul General Blizzard personal sa-ti explice tie cum merge spelul ca esti tu bestpriestafrica si nu crezi? Sunt destule dovezi care te contrazic. Forumul este pe battlenet.eu (se stie ca este site-ul oficial de la Wow) iar oamenii aia joaca pe retail. Ce altceva mai vrei?

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