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Post Posted: 02-04-2012, 12:50:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ok deci problema sta in felul urmator. Cred ca daca adunam bugurile majore de la fiecare clasa in parte nu se aduna atatea cate are feralul in momentul de fata. Ar cam fi momentul sa intre intr-o "revizie tehnica" cat de curand.

Bugurile pozitive:

1. Rip care da ceva mai mult dmg (topic facut de mine).

Bugurile negative:

1. Wepp dmg . Pe freakz am wepp dmg cat aveam pe blizz la lvl 83. Este incredibil cum pe freakz dai 400-500 white hits , iar pe blizz dau 4-5k in pvp.
Conform formulei :
Max. Weapon Damage / Weapon Speed + Attack Power/14 , ar trebuii sa am cam 1716 max wepp dmg insa am 1046.
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/745/wowscrnshot040212130455.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5348/wowscrnshot040212133935.jpg

2. Shred dmg. Conform calculelor cu stats de mai sus, trebuia sa dau ~9k insa eu nu sar de 7k:
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/623/wowscrnshot040212131411.jpg

3.Ferocious bite este o mizerie de spell atm. Conform formulei (5 points: 13 + 36 * 5 + 0.545 * AP-30 + 36 * 5 + 0.545 * AP damage ) , cu stats de mai sus si cu talentul de pe feral de 10% more dmg ar trebuii sa dau undeva la 16600 insa eu dau 10k. Asta cu minim de energy. Iar crit cat dau in loc de 33k? Dau 13k. Deci mai bine il arunc draq de pe bara:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9630/wowscrnshot040212133315.jpg
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4535/wowscrnshot040212133221.jpg

4.Dmg overtime sunt penibile (topic facut de mine de asemenea). Atunci cand ies din cat form sa dau heal/cc sau chiar sa fug in travel form, bleeds dau un dmg jenant.
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5650/wowscrnshot040212133809.jpg

5.Ravage dmg dat cu stampade are dmg mai mic de asemenea. Conform stats mele ar trebuii sa dau ~16k, insa dau undeva la 11k:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6335/wowscrnshot040212134421.jpg

^ fiind doar cateva din bugurile majore, mai sunt si altele dar care nici nu se compara cu cele enumerate de mine. Practic in momentul de fata, toate abilitatile care dau dmg la feral sunt praf.






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Post Posted: 03-04-2012, 17:50:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Prea mult spam intr-un topic acceptabil, am sters toate posturile, sper sa intelegi ceva Honourless din asta.



1. De unde ai luat formula
Code:
Melee Attack = Max. Weapon Damage / Weapon Speed + Attack Power/14

2. Damage-ul nu e bun pentru ca nu e Weapon Damage bun.
3. De unde ai luat formula
Code:
5 points: 13 + 36 * 5 + 0.545 * AP-30 + 36 * 5 + 0.545 * AP damage

4. Nu va fi rezolvat prea curand, e destul de complex.
5. O sa fie rezolvat asta

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Post Posted: 03-04-2012, 18:22:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Zohlomg wrote:

1. De unde ai luat formula
Code:
Melee Attack = Max. Weapon Damage / Weapon Speed + Attack Power/14

2. Damage-ul nu e bun pentru ca nu e Weapon Damage bun.
3. De unde ai luat formula
Code:
5 points: 13 + 36 * 5 + 0.545 * AP-30 + 36 * 5 + 0.545 * AP damage

4. Nu va fi rezolvat prea curand, e destul de complex.
5. O sa fie rezolvat asta


1. Este de pe wiki.
Poti testat calculand cu formula aia, wepp dmg din printu de mai jos.
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/52/wowscrnshot040312190713.jpg

2. La mangle este ~bun dmg.

3. https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=22568
-5 points: 13 + 36 * 5 + 0.545 * AP-30 + 36 * 5 + 0.545 * AP damage

4.Trebuie sa se rezolve macar sa tina cont de stats pe care le ai in cat form, daca nu se poate face ca toate dots sa tina cont de stats pe care le ai in momentul aplicarii. Pierzi 80% din dmg totusi....




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Post Posted: 03-04-2012, 18:47:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

http://www.wowheadnews.com/blog=189203/patch-4-2-ptr-build-14107-achievements-spell-changes-items-and-more

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Mangle: Mangle the target for 530% normal damage plus (315 * 460530 / 100) and causes the target to take 30% additional damage from bleed effects for 1 min. Awards 1 combo point.
Ravage: Ravage the target, causing 975% damage plus (330 * 850975 / 100) to the target. Must be prowling and behind the target. Awards 1 combo point.
Shred: Shred the target, causing 520% damage plus (330 * 450520 / 100) to the target. Must be behind the target. Awards 1 combo point. Effects which increase Bleed damage also increase Shred damage.


aici ai formulele pt ravage mangle si shred am postat doar pentru ca va place sa faceti calcule cu base damage 50-100 gen.. cea ce e o aberatie


weapon damage e ap/14 + min weapon damage/weaponspeed +(680 in cazul unheeded warning) minim
maxim : ap/14 + max weapon damage /weapon speed + (680 in cazul unheeded warning)
in print lui honourless are 1770 - 16449/14 + 2142/3.6 = 1769
max are 2068 16449/14 + 3214/3.6 = 2071
diferenta de +- 3 dmg...




ps @retards cu patch 4.2 etc in 4.1 nu s-a schimbat nimic la astea deci before = 4.0.6 after = 4.2




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Post Posted: 03-04-2012, 21:42:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Cum am mai spus si in alt post , formula Melee Attack = Max. Weapon Damage / Weapon Speed + Attack Power/14 este una aproximativa, pentru ca daca faci calculele nu iese exact ca acolo. De exemplu,eu ies pe minus cu 60 cat attack.
Tu spre exemplu ar trebui sa ai 1919 melle dmg conform calculelor,dar ai 1946. Este ceva neglijabil si putem trece peste,mai ales ca este mult,mult mai bine decat ce avem in momentul de fata.

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Post Posted: 03-04-2012, 22:04:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Zohlomg wrote:
4. Nu va fi rezolvat prea curand, e destul de complex.


Nu iti zic in nume de rau dar cu tot respectu` ati putea sa mai lasati dreq pveu ala si sa mai incercati sa reparati bugurile din pvp.



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Arkinezul wrote:
Zohlomg wrote:
4. Nu va fi rezolvat prea curand, e destul de complex.


Nu iti zic in nume de rau dar cu tot respectu` ati putea sa mai lasati dreq pveu ala si sa mai incercati sa reparati bugurile din pvp.


Asta e un bug care afecteaza si pve, daca se transforma iara topicu asta in 'eu sunt mai smecher' iar sterg tot

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Post Posted: 03-04-2012, 22:46:32 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu vreau sa fac pe desteptul dar cu ce afecteaza pve? ca feral pve stai doar cat form.. nu iesi sa dai heal sau alcv.. si daca chiar iesi, iesi sa dai un ress/innervate.. bugu asta afecteaza foarte grav pvpu.


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Post Posted: 03-04-2012, 23:35:37 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

am si eu o intrebare...nu inteleg de ce 99% din druizi spameaza mangle si uniis e tot plang ca pica din 4 bucati...si pe blizz dinc ate stiu eu se folosete shred doar
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Amore wrote:
am si eu o intrebare...nu inteleg de ce 99% din druizi spameaza mangle si uniis e tot plang ca pica din 4 bucati...si pe blizz dinc ate stiu eu se folosete shred doar


Ce legatura are ce ai zis u cu topicul?



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Arkinezul wrote:
Amore wrote:
am si eu o intrebare...nu inteleg de ce 99% din druizi spameaza mangle si uniis e tot plang ca pica din 4 bucati...si pe blizz dinc ate stiu eu se folosete shred doar


Ce legatura are ce ai zis u cu topicul?


nimic intreb de curios doar

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Amore wrote:
am si eu o intrebare...nu inteleg de ce 99% din druizi spameaza mangle si uniis e tot plang ca pica din 4 bucati...si pe blizz dinc ate stiu eu se folosete shred doar

Deoarece aici shred da 4k dmg si mangle 4.8k non crit... Sper ca intelegi !



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Post Posted: 04-04-2012, 01:01:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

depinde de ce gear ai / buffs etc si de ce gear are targetu de ex daca dai de popa full vic human ( raton cu 2x rezil trinket) dai maxim 4k shred pe el sau resto shaman etc..
also dmg de la shred tine cont si de bleeds...


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Post Posted: 04-04-2012, 09:29:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Zohlomg wrote:
4. Nu va fi rezolvat prea curand, e destul de complex.


hey Zohll dar nu se poate sa se faca ca dots sa tina cont de stats pe care le ai in momentu aplicarii si sa continue in ritmu asta pe toata durata? park mai era un topic in care zicea shokeru ca asta se poate si mie mi se pare ca ar fi mult mai bine macar pana cand se rezolva complet



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Post Posted: 04-04-2012, 09:45:32 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Amore wrote:
am si eu o intrebare...nu inteleg de ce 99% din druizi spameaza mangle si uniis e tot plang ca pica din 4 bucati...si pe blizz dinc ate stiu eu se folosete shred doar


Shred nu prea se merita in momentul de fata, cel putin in pvp. Eu unul nu imi amintesc sa fi dat mai mult de 8k cu shred intr-un clother full pve gear in bgs.
Pe Ferocius Bite am dat max 16k.
Pe mangle am dat mai bine gen 20-26k (valoarea pt critical strike) => e firesc sa spamezi mangle. -


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