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Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Dau doar jumatate din Damage.
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Post Posted: 08-05-2012, 11:32:44 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Damage-ul e corect. Uita-te la formula si fa calculele, nu la tooltip care e buguit.
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Post Posted: 08-05-2012, 12:01:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Daca ne luam dupa toti care zic dupa ureche "dau jumatate din damage" , fara sa faca nici macar un calcul , o sa ajungem cu serveru plin de clase care se uita urat la tine si mori direct.
Apuca-te sa faci calcule , cu formule de damage de pe blizz, Weapon Damage corect , momentan warioru are base weapon dmg mai mare decat ar trebui , fara gear.

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Daca ne luam dupa toti care zic dupa ureche "dau jumatate din damage" , fara sa faca nici macar un calcul , o sa ajungem cu serveru plin de clase care se uita urat la tine si mori direct.
Apuca-te sa faci calcule , cu formule de damage de pe blizz, Weapon Damage corect , momentan warioru are base weapon dmg mai mare decat ar trebui , fara gear.



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Damage-ul e corect. Uita-te la formula si fa calculele, nu la tooltip care e buguit.


Postati sa va aflati in treaba.

Damage-ul se calculeaza automat in tooltip.

Cum se zice, bug pana la proba contrarie, nu e datoria mea de a face calcule, e a voastra.

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Post Posted: 08-05-2012, 21:23:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Velaurius wrote:


Postati sa va aflati in treaba.

Damage-ul se calculeaza automat in tooltip.

Cum se zice, bug pana la proba contrarie, nu e datoria mea de a face calcule, e a voastra.


off dute ma si dati doua palme

nu sunt dovezi deci nu e bug,close

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Post Posted: 08-05-2012, 22:59:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Velaurius wrote:

MorphinG wrote:
Damage-ul e corect. Uita-te la formula si fa calculele, nu la tooltip care e buguit.


Postati sa va aflati in treaba.

Damage-ul se calculeaza automat in tooltip.

Cum se zice, bug pana la proba contrarie, nu e datoria mea de a face calcule, e a voastra.




In primu' rand faci tu calculele ca e de datoria ta daca postezi la bug report, s-o faci cum trebuie. Las-o mai moale cu insultele astea ...

In al doilea rand rand tooltipu' e buguit din moment ce nu calculeaza corect. In orice caz, o formula+calcul are credibilitate mult mai mare.. in fine.


Formula:
Code:
8+AP*60/100


La 10.000 attack power (cam cat au majoritatea cu gear + battle shout) rezulta:

8+10000*60/100 = 6008

Poftim proba contrarie. Merge si Shattering throw la fel, inclusiv partea cu "reduce armor by 20%".

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MorphinG wrote:
Velaurius wrote:

MorphinG wrote:
Damage-ul e corect. Uita-te la formula si fa calculele, nu la tooltip care e buguit.


Postati sa va aflati in treaba.

Damage-ul se calculeaza automat in tooltip.

Cum se zice, bug pana la proba contrarie, nu e datoria mea de a face calcule, e a voastra.




In primu' rand faci tu calculele ca e de datoria ta daca postezi la bug report, s-o faci cum trebuie. Las-o mai moale cu insultele astea ...

In al doilea rand rand tooltipu' e buguit din moment ce nu calculeaza corect. In orice caz, o formula+calcul are credibilitate mult mai mare.. in fine.


Formula:
Code:
8+AP*60/100


La 10.000 attack power (cam cat au majoritatea cu gear + battle shout) rezulta:

8+10000*60/100 = 6008

Poftim proba contrarie. Merge si Shattering throw la fel, inclusiv partea cu "reduce armor by 20%".



Aceea este formula pentru Heroic Strike. Cum poti dovedi ca se aplica si la Heroic Throw?





Throws your weapon at the enemy causing 12 damage (based on attack power). This ability causes high threat.


Formula ar fi: 12+AP



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Post Posted: 09-05-2012, 12:09:11 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

based on atack power nu inseamna ca aduni tot atack poweru , lol
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Post Posted: 09-05-2012, 12:19:59 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Heroic throw ia 75% din AP.

"Heroic throw APPARENTLY has a .75 % Attack Power Coefficient with Cataclysm. The patch may have not updated your tooltips." ( http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1127124470 )
Si addonul Dr. Damage spune acelasi lucru...

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8519/wowscrnshot050912114042.jpg

(0.75*9843)+12 = 7394

Luand in calcul 2h weapon specialization (pana la urma ataci cu arma si nu specifica ca atacul trebuie sa fie melee) + battle stance + blood frenzy ajungem la valoarea de 9689. Eu am dat 5386
Sa zicem ca nu ar lua 75% din AP si ca informatiile aratate de Dr. Damage sunt eronate:
[(0.5*9843)+12]*1.2*1.05*1.04 = 6464.9... din nou mai putin decat am dat

Si daca nu ma credeti ca ia 75% din AP va dovedesc.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ejgvxXuSFpI:



Minutul 5:06

AP: 13317
Damage Heroic Throw: 7914
Raider's Training Dummy as zice ca are undeva la 35% damage reduction din armor
7914/0.65 = (AP*x+12)*1.1*1.1
10062 = AP*x +12
x = 10885 / AP = 10885/13317 = 0.75

dreiv wrote:
based on atack power nu inseamna ca aduni tot atack poweru , lol


Nu, inseamna ca doar e influentat de AP



Concluzia: Tooltipul merge bine. HT ia doar 50% din AP si nu beneficiaza de bonusul din Two Handed Specialization



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Velaurius wrote:


Aceea este formula pentru Heroic Strike. Cum poti dovedi ca se aplica si la Heroic Throw?


Throws your weapon at the enemy causing 12 damage (based on attack power). This ability causes high threat.


Formula ar fi: 12+AP



Mea culpa, m-am grabit. Uite aici formula:

Code:
12 + AP*0.50


Asta vine:

12+ 10011*0.50 = 5017.


Si dau ~ 5267 , dupa cum se vede in printscreen-u de mai jos:




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MorphinG wrote:

Mea culpa, m-am grabit. Uite aici formula:

Code:
12 + AP*0.50


Asta vine:

12+ 10000*0.50 = 5012. Tot cam atat.


Si daca imi explici cum ala de mai sus da 7914 dmg cu 13317 AP ai tot respectu'. (ia in considerare si armura dummy-ului)

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Lonn wrote:
MorphinG wrote:

Mea culpa, m-am grabit. Uite aici formula:

Code:
12 + AP*0.50


Asta vine:

12+ 10000*0.50 = 5012. Tot cam atat.


Si daca imi explici cum ala de mai sus da 7914 dmg cu 13317 AP ai tot respectu'. (ia in considerare si armura dummy-ului)



In primu' rand are 14327 attack power in momentu in care da heroic throw.

In al doilea rand e furry, care automat are dmg mult mai mare la Heroic Throw decat pe arms.

Si in al treilea rand, ma bat toate calculele alea cu armura pe care oricum mai nimeni nu le intelege. xD

Daca-mi zici exact cata armura are dummy-u si exact cat dmg ar trebui sa reduca, atunci simplificam treaba cu mult. In orice caz, sunt cam 90 % sigur ca merge bine Heroic/Shatt Throw damage cum ar trebui.

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Post Posted: 09-05-2012, 20:29:27 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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In primu' rand are 14327 attack power in momentu in care da heroic throw.


Aici e vorba de un macro cel mai probabil "/cast Heoric Throw ; /use gloves"
Nu stau sa filozofesc daca Heroic Throw e castat inainte sau dupa Synapse Strings...

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In al doilea rand e furry, care automat are dmg mult mai mare la Heroic Throw decat pe arms.


Dc? Furry are 10% din dual wield spec si 10% din Berzerker Stance iar arms are 20% din Two Handed Weapon Spec. si 5% din Battle Stance. Eu zic ca arms da mai mult...

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Si in al treilea rand, ma bat toate calculele alea cu armura pe care oricum mai nimeni nu le intelege. xD

Daca-mi zici exact cata armura are dummy-u si exact cat dmg ar trebui sa reduca, atunci simplificam treaba cu mult. In orice caz, sunt cam 90 % sigur ca merge bine Heroic/Shatt Throw damage cum ar trebui.


Armura exacta nu am gasist-o nici eu, Heroic Training Dummy are vreo 30% (cu toate ca pe site arata vreo 41%)... asta banuiesc ca ar trebui sa aiba mai mult... sau cam tot pe acolo, nu sunt sigur.

Sa spunem ca ai avea dreptate si ca ar merge cum trebuie... atunci ne luam la calcule

(14327*0.5 + 12 ) *1.1*1.1 = 8682
1.1 -> Berserker Stance
1.1-> Dual wield specialization

El a dat 7914, deci dummy-ul ar avea un dmg reduction de 8.85%... mie mi s-ar parea aberant... tie?



LE: Dummy-ul avea 31.55% dmg reduction (sursa: http://enhsim.codeplex.com/workitem/7329 )
Deci fara armura ar fi dat 11562, corect?
El e in patch 4.2, deci Dual Wield Specialization da doar 5% bonus, my bad.

Acum calculele arata asa:

(14327*x+12) *1.1 *1.05= 11562
x = 70%, asta daca Heroic Throw a luat in calcul si Synapse Strings, insa daca nu le-a luat ar veni:

(13317*x+12) *1.1 *1.05 = 11562
x=75,07989494924%

Eu zic ca ia 75% deoarece confirma Dr. Damage

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Post Posted: 10-05-2012, 02:32:50 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Eu zic sa luati ca atare ce damage scrie in tooltip si sa nu va mai ***** pe voi aiurea, throw dau damage mai mic.
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Post Posted: 10-05-2012, 06:34:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Dar ce agitatie pt. 2 spell-uri care au cds 1 minut , respectiv 5 minute , si nu ajuta prea mult ... shattering throw il folosesti pt. a da jos bulele la paladin , nu pt. dmg -
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