[Warrior][PvE][PvP] Rend

[Scott]

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=772
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Damage to low
Dovada / Proof: The problem right now is that the formula is calculated wrong : 525 + (0.25*4*(($MWB+$mwb)/2 + AP/14*MWS)) and it should be 525 + (0.25*6*(($MWB+$mwb)/2 + AP/14*MWS))

- also rend should benefit from https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12712

Quote:

Almost reverted in PTR as of 1 June 2011, Arms •Two-Handed Weapon Specialization weapon damage increase has been lowered to 12%, down from 20%. This means 6.67% damage reduction on all hits. In other words, your dps will drop by approximately 6.67% with this change. (ignoring crit chance)

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12712 (wowhead link)

The formula for calculating Rend's damage consists of 3 parts.
This is the total damage that will be done without any talents:

1) (Main Hand Weapon's Lowest Damage + Main Hand Weapon's Highest Damage) / 2
+
2) Attack Power / 14 * Main Hand Weapon's Attack Speed
+
3) Base Damage of Rend

To know how much each tick will do, simply take the total damage and divide it by 5. (5 Ticks in total)

This is my character without talents and battle shout on : http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/806/wowscrnshot051112152535.jpg

So we have 525 + (0.25 * 6 * ((1795 + 2693)/2 + 10505 / 14 * 3.6)) => 525 + 1.5 * (2244 + 2701.28)=7942.92
To find out dmg for each tick: 7942/5= 1588
To which we add 5% from battle stance and 20% from 2h weapon specialization: (1588 * 25) / 100 =397
1588+397= 1985
And now dmg from freakz: http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/561/wowscrnshot051112152330.jpg

[Stue]

+1,gz pt post

[bigblackjoey]

Nice
Good job dude.

Asteptam commenturi de la hateri.

[Lonn]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dRR2PmdNIcc:



Patch 4.0.6, e full vici baiatu'... da cu Rend constant peste 2k. Asta ma face sa cred ca Rend (wowhead link) beneficiaza de bonusul din Two Handed Weapon Specialization (wowhead link)

@Scott, eu zic ca "Main Hand Weapon's Lowest Damage + Main Hand Weapon's Highest Damage" se refera la dmg-ul de baza a armei, neafectat de attack power.

[unionk2]

up

[Stue]

scot,vezi ca ai testat pe dummy cu 30% dmg redus

[Lonn]

Stue wrote:

scot,vezi ca ai testat pe dummy cu 30% dmg redus

Dummy ala are doar armura, iar toate bleedurile o ignora (inclusiv Rend)

[Scott]

Lonn wrote:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dRR2PmdNIcc: Patch 4.0.6, e full vici baiatu'... da cu Rend constant peste 2k. Asta ma face sa cred ca Rend (wowhead link) beneficiaza de bonusul din Two Handed Weapon Specialization (wowhead link) @Scott, eu zic ca "Main Hand Weapon's Lowest Damage + Main Hand Weapon's Highest Damage" se refera la dmg-ul de baza a armei, neafectat de attack power.

In nici un caz daca ar fi asa rendul ar da mai putin decat da acum , cat despre Two Handed Weapon Specialization practic isi ia bonusul asta din main hand damage.

Si Stue singurele dummy-uri cu resilienta sunt alea din elwynn forest bleedurile nu tin cont de armura.

[Tamaie]

up si cu asta.

@am vrut si eu sa fac de curand un topic pe tema asta.Ma bucur ca ai postat.Gj!

[Mr.Faith]

Scott, am o intrebare:
De ce ai calculat damage-ul folosind auto-attack damage influentat de battle stance, si nu ai folosit minimum, maximum weapon lowest/highest damage cum zici in postul tau?!

Si din cate vad eu pe wowhead formula este asta: 525 + (0.25 * 6 * ((MWB + mwb) / 2 + AP / 14 * MWS))....Tu te-ai jucat acolo cu parantezele alea de a iesit un ghiveci !!

Calculat ar iesi asa folosind arma vicious (1795-2693 dmg, 3.6 speed)
525 + (0.25 * 6 * ((1795 + 2693)/2 + 10505 / 14 * 3.6)) => 525 + 1.5 * (2244 + 2701.28) => 7942.92 damage
Adica 1588 per tick fara battle stance si talente.


Este buguit, nimic de zis... insa oare o sa invete unii sa mai si inteleaga ceea ce citesc ?! Sa nu ziceti ca nu va ajut

@Lonn...nu beneficiaza de 2h weapon spec; calculeaza ca de ex in cazul lui Scott la 10.5k ap cu talente puse cum trebuie sa vezi cat ar trebui sa dea dupa ce se stabilizeaza damage-ul si compara cu video-ul postat de tine:
7942.92 * 1.05 * 1.3 = 10842 => deci 2168 per tick

[Lonn]

Mr.Faith wrote:

Scott, am o intrebare: De ce ai calculat damage-ul folosind auto-attack damage influentat de battle stance, si nu ai folosit minimum, maximum weapon lowest/highest damage cum zici in postul tau?!

Asta i-am zis si eu... dar nu m-a crezut

Mr.Faith wrote:

@Lonn...nu beneficiaza de 2h weapon spec; calculeaza ca de ex in cazul lui Scott la 10.5k ap cu talente puse cum trebuie sa vezi cat ar trebui sa dea dupa ce se stabilizeaza damage-ul si compara cu video-ul postat de tine: 7942.92 * 1.05 * 1.3 = 10842 => deci 2168 per tick

Intr-adevar, nu beneficiaza de 2h weapon spec.

O sa incerc sa vad ce e stricat la formula... cred ca va dura oleak avand in vedere ca sunt multe chestii de luat in calcul.

Posturi unite automat, 12-05-2012, 21:27:23

After a little *magic*... am descoperit ca formula pe freakz este urmatoarea:
{525 + 0.25*4*[($MWB+$mwb)/2 + AP/14*MWS]}

Cel putin asa mi-a dat mie... sa testati ca sa ma asigur ca e bine.

LE: Ty Mr. Faith pentru corectare, gresisem parantezele alea, am rescris si eu formula.

[Mr.Faith]

Da Lonn acolo este problema. Am testat si eu de 3 ori folosind aceeasi arma insa cu ap diferit cu 2k+ de fiecare data:

La 3923 ap am dat 660/tick cu rend in defensive stance
la 1177 ap am dat 518/tick cu rend tot in defensive
Si la 6467 am dat 760/tick de asemenea in defensive
Folosind arma cu dmg 1408-2113, 3.6 speed

Insa vezi ca tu ai scris formula gresit, fi atent te rog 525 + { 0.25 * 6 * [ (mw + Mw)/2+ ap / 14 * ws ] } asta e formula corecta, insa la noi foloseste 4 in loc de 6 cum ai zis tu.

Pt cine nu stie, sa explic formula: presupun ca stiu toti formula de weapon damage normalizat, ne-normalizat
[(w_dps + ap/14)* w_speed] care e echivalenta cu [avg_weap_dmg + ap/14 * w_speed]

weapon dps = average weapon damage / weapon speed
si average weapon damage = (min damage+max damage) / 2

Daca ne uitam cu atentie la formula a 2-a pusa de mine mai sus: [avg_weap_dmg + ap/14 * w_speed], vedem ca este inclusa in formula rend-lui.

Deci toata formula aia de la rend ar deveni 525 + 1.5 * weapon damage, si cum 1.5 inseamna 150% rend va avea urmatoarea formula:
150% weapon damage + 525

Fiind abilitate ne-normalizata logic ca foloseste 3.6 speed, si aceasta valoare impartita la 5 = dmg per tick: adica [30% weapon dmg + 105].

La ora actuala rend foloseste 100% weapon damage +525 adica [20% weapon dmg + 105] per tick. ( 0.25 * 4 = 1, adica 100%)

Am redus'o pt ca poate este mai usor de reparat asa

[Scott]

Am rectificat primul post insa am mai decoperit ceva:
Conform patch changes

Quote:

Patch 3.0.3 (2008-11-04): Damage has been adjusted to be less base and more weapon based. Ranks 9 and 10 now do 35% more damage when the target is above 75% health instead of 4 times damage when the target is enraged.

deci ar trebui sa dea cu 35% mai mult dmg cand targetul are mai mult de 75 % HP ceea ce pe freakz nu se intampla
http://www.wowpedia.org/Rend, http://www.wowwiki.com/Rend
La peste 75% HP : http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4423/wowscrnshot051412171844.jpg
Sub 75% hp: http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/829/wowscrnshot051412171906.jpg

[Lonn]

Scott wrote:

Am rectificat primul post insa am mai decoperit ceva: Conform patch changes Quote: Patch 3.0.3 (2008-11-04): Damage has been adjusted to be less base and more weapon based. Ranks 9 and 10 now do 35% more damage when the target is above 75% health instead of 4 times damage when the target is enraged. deci ar trebui sa dea cu 35% mai mult dmg cand targetul are mai mult de 75 % HP ceea ce pe freakz nu se intampla http://www.wowpedia.org/Rend, http://www.wowwiki.com/Rend La peste 75% HP : http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4423/wowscrnshot051412171844.jpg Sub 75% hp: http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/829/wowscrnshot051412171906.jpg

E cam greu de testat si nici nu e prea sigura sursa... Aia era pe patch 3.0.3... nu stim daca asa e si pe Cataclysm...

[Velaurius]

Fix Warriors, confirm !