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Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=33763&&name=lifebloom
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Nu este influentat de https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51181&&name=gift-of-the-earthmother si posibil nici de https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=87305&&name=gift-of-nature
Dovada / Proof: Da acelasi heal si pe feral si pe resto....same gear, no other buffs....In una din imagini sunt feral (se vede ca am berserk), iar in cealalta resto(tree of life). In mod normal ar trebui, daca pe feral da 13k , pe resto sa dea cel putin 15k asta numai de la https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51181&&name=gift-of-the-earthmother. In legatura cu https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=87305&&name=gift-of-nature din cate am citit pe forumuri influenteaza orice heal, fie hot sau instant, deci ar mai trebui aplicata inca o crestere.
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PS: resto druid este foarte underpowered, ar fi de apreciat daca ati arunca un ochi si pe el poate devine viabil cat de cat.....Ms.

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Post Posted: 27-01-2013, 09:51:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Dupa mai multe teste am realizat ca la https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51181&&name=gift-of-the-earthmother este problema.
Nu merge nici partea cu rejuvenation. Ar trebui sa dea cel putin 3300 la inceput (in conditiile in care nici un tick nu e critical) in schimb el da 850 mereu netinand cont de nimic.
Totusi ramane intrebarea daca https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=33763&&name=lifebloom (wowhead link) este sau nu influentat de https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=87305&&name=gift-of-nature (wowhead link). Daca este influentat atunci inseamna ca trebuie umblat si la lifebloom deoarece restul healurilor sunt afectate de https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=87305&&name=gift-of-nature (wowhead link) deci nu e la talent problema.
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Post Posted: 28-01-2013, 14:06:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

valyyydumi wrote:
Insa aia e mai greu de dovedit avand in vedere ca formulele de calcul de pe 4.3.4 la lifebloom sau la orice alt spell de druid nu se gasesc nicaieri .


http://www.wowhead.com/news=189203/patch-4-2-ptr-build-14107-achievements-spell-changes-items-and-more

Heals the target for 228*10*1 over 10 sec. When Lifebloom expires or is dispelled, the target is instantly healed for 1847*1*1. This effect can stack up to 3 times on the same target. Lifebloom can be active only on one target at a time.

Posibil sa fie asta.

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Post Posted: 28-01-2013, 16:50:17 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am vazut ca a fost problema cu lifebloom si cand s-a bagat cata, tot asa dadea prea putin iar GM inchidea topicul si certa playerii ca nu vin cu formule si calcule concrete.
Bine, dar formule care se gasesc unde? Ca am cautat peste tot si nu gasesc nicaieri formula de calcul.
In acest videoclip https://youtube.com/watch?v=WRc5C2G2N0k:

la minutul 04:40 se vede clar efectul de bloom (patchul este 4.0, inainte de a scadea cu 20% efectul de bloom).
Nu punem la socoteala gearul deoarece au crescut stats-urile iar acesta s-a cam echivalat cu ce avea ala in videoclip si probabil l-a si depasit. Facem abstractie de gear si dupa un calcul simplu vedem ca efectul de bloom ar trebui sa dea cel putin 18-19k heal.

Mai mult de atat nu am putut gasi, care sa fie de ajutor.

Am facut acest reply fiindca nu mi-a placut cum a fost tratata problema randul trecut.

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Post Posted: 28-01-2013, 20:36:22 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-35EF-5Eyqw
Am incercat pe cat posibil sa am aceleasi spelpower si mastery ca si el... am un pic mai mare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QpTKjyVljM&feature=youtu.be

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Post Posted: 28-01-2013, 23:25:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

relevante videoclipurile de mai sus bv, se poate observa si faza cu 3k instant heal la rejuv de care zice fat3
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Post Posted: 29-01-2013, 03:28:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

valyyydumi wrote:
Nerd wrote:
valyyydumi wrote:
Insa aia e mai greu de dovedit avand in vedere ca formulele de calcul de pe 4.3.4 la lifebloom sau la orice alt spell de druid nu se gasesc nicaieri .


http://www.wowhead.com/news=189203/patch-4-2-ptr-build-14107-achievements-spell-changes-items-and-more

Heals the target for 228*10*1 over 10 sec. When Lifebloom expires or is dispelled, the target is instantly healed for 1847*1*1. This effect can stack up to 3 times on the same target. Lifebloom can be active only on one target at a time.

Posibil sa fie asta.


E destul de folositor ce dai tu aici , insa nu inteleg formula ce e 228 , ce e 10 si unde intervine spell power-ul ?
Daca reusesc sa am prind ii fac un psot separat .


228 = base heal per tick; "*10" = 10 tickuri; 1847 = base heal la bloom
Astea sunt valorile de baza ale lifebloom-lui pe 4.3 intr-adevar, la fel ca aici: http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/33763/lifebloom/

Cu coeficientii de sp este mai complicat...daca e sa ma iau dupa poza asta de pe blizz: http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/5297/wowscrnshot032412120137.jpg
1166 heal per tick la 3 stacks; impartim la 3 pt a afla heal-ul per stack si avem 388.66
Apoi scadem base heal per tick de 228 din 388.66 => 160.66
Acum la 6868 sp acest 160.66 ar insemna: 160.66 / 6868 = 0.02339 coeficient per tick
La 10 tickuri va lua 0.02339 * 10 = 0.2339 adica 23.39% coeficient de spellpower
Deci vom avea formula de calcul 2280 plus inca 23.39% din spellpower la 1 stack din HoT.

Bloom-ul in poza este de 11395 la 3 stackuri; impartim la 3 si avem 3798.33 heal la 1 singur stack.
Apoi scadem base heal-ul de 1847 din 3798.33 si avem 1951.33 bonus heal din 6868 spellpower.
Impartim 1951.33 la 6868 si ne da coeficientul de spellpower de 28.41%
Deci bloom-ul va avea urmatoarea formula: 1847 base heal plus inca 28.41% din spellpower.

Astia sunt coeficientii reali in concordanta cu 4.3; charul este acesta: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/sylvanas/Gersche/simple (nu imi apartine). Screenshot-ul este facut pe 24.03.2012.

Calculati si vedeti ce iese.


PS: Coeficientii pot avea o marja de eroare de ~0.01 din cauza ca valorile erau cu perioada.


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Daca dai un search la lifebloom in baza de date wowfreakz o sa vezi ca acu are implementati exact coeficientii de care zici tu (https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=33763&&name=lifebloom), prin urmare nu cred ca asta e solutia, dar e de apreciat postarea ta.
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Mr.Faith wrote:
E destul de folositor ce dai tu aici , insa nu inteleg formula ce e 228 , ce e 10 si unde intervine spell power-ul ?
Daca reusesc sa am prind ii fac un psot separat.

228 = base heal per tick; "*10" = 10 tickuri; 1847 = base heal la bloom
Astea sunt valorile de baza ale lifebloom-lui pe 4.3 intr-adevar, la fel ca aici: http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/33763/lifebloom/

Cu coeficientii de sp este mai complicat...daca e sa ma iau dupa poza asta de pe blizz: http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/5297/wowscrnshot032412120137.jpg
1166 heal per tick la 3 stacks; impartim la 3 pt a afla heal-ul per stack si avem 388.66
Apoi scadem base heal per tick de 228 din 388.66 => 160.66
Acum la 6868 sp acest 160.66 ar insemna: 160.66 / 6868 = 0.02339 coeficient per tick
La 10 tickuri va lua 0.02339 * 10 = 0.2339 adica 23.39% coeficient de spellpower
Deci vom avea formula de calcul 2280 plus inca 23.39% din spellpower la 3 stacks din HoT.

Bloom-ul in poza este de 11395 la 3 stackuri; impartim la 3 si avem 3798.33 heal la un singur stack.
Apoi scadem base heal-ul de 1847 din 3798.33 si avem 1951.33 bonus heal din 6868 spellpower.
Impartim 1951.33 la 6868 si ne da coeficientul de spellpower de 28.41%
Deci bloom-ul va avea urmatoarea formula: 1847 base heal plus inca 28.41% din spellpower.

Astia sunt coeficientii reali in concordanta cu 4.3; charul este acesta: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/sylvanas/Gersche/simple (nu imi apartine). Screenshot-ul este facut pe 24.03.2012.

Calculati si vedeti ce iese.


PS: Coeficientii pot avea o marja de eroare de ~0.01 din cauza ca valorile erau cu perioada.


La poza aia vine:
(228 + 6868 * 2.34%) * 3 = (159.3072 + 228) * 3 = 1166.1336 (1166 ii arata lui) * 10 = 11661.336 (total heal cu 3 ticks)

La druidul meu vine:
(228 + 6392 * 0.0234) * 3 = (149,5728 + 228) * 3 = 1132.7184 (1132 imi arata mie) * 10 = 11327.184 (total heal cu 3 ticks)

1132.7184 * 0.25 = 283.1796 (Gift of nature)
1132.7184 * 1.25 = 1415.898 (Gift of nature) + 1132.7184 * 0.04 (master shapeshifter) = 1415.898 + 45.308736 = 1461.206736
11327.184 * 1.25 = 14158.98/10 = 1415.898 (Gift of Nature)

1847 + 28.41% * 6392 = 1847 + 1815.9672 = 3662.9672 (1 stack) * 3 = 10988.9016 ( 3 stacks)

10988.9016 * 1.25 (gift of nature) = 13736.127 ( aici e gresit pe freakz )

1132.7184 * 0.15 (gift of the earthmother) = 169.90776
1132.7184 * 0.25 = 283.1796 (Gift of nature)
1132.7184 * 0.04 = 45.308736 (Master Shapeshifter)
1132.7184 + 283.1796 + 169.90776 + 45.308736 = 1631.114499 (Healing ul la 3 stackuri cu cele 2 talente + 25% increase healing de la resto spec bonus)

Am impresia ca am gresit ceva la calculul celor 2 talente cand se adauga la spell. Voi ce credeti?

Poze:
http://i49.tinypic.com/34y7aeh.jpg - Commando
http://i46.tinypic.com/333fuk2.jpg - Ghift of Nature + Master Shapeshifter
http://i49.tinypic.com/28k2ckk.jpg - Gift of the Earthmother + Gift of Nature + Master Shapeshifter

Intrebari?


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Groovy, este ok; ce ai omis este master shapeshifter care iti creste heal-ul cu 4% cat timp esti in caster/tree form.
Aparent nu ia increase nici din Gift of the Earth Mother si nici din Gift of Nature; si este posibil ca talentele astea sa fie aditive; iar Gift of Nature este aditiv la randul lui cu Symbiosis sau cum se cheama mastery. Probabil ca stie Shockeru ce si cum, ca se ocupa cu treaba asta.
Oricum ar fi tot cel mai slab healer o sa ramana de pe versiunea asta.


PS: vezi ca are 6868 sp in poza aia pusa de mine, dar e rezolutia mica si se vede blurat.


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Updated. Everybody check my calculations, compare it with yours and tell me if there's any errors.

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Post Posted: 30-01-2013, 13:55:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Din cate vad raspunsul vostru este ca totul e in regula si ca merge bine atat lifebloom cat si https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51181&&name=gift-of-the-earthmother, desi nici partea cu rejuvenation de la talent nu e corecta si daca scoti talentul ai acelasi bloom ca si cand l-ai avea.
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1'st, nu inteleg de unde deduci tu ce zici acolo...Groovy l-a calculat si se vede ca nu merge bine (de bloom vorbesc); 2-nd topicul este despre lifebloom, asa ca daca vroiai sa postezi ca talentul ala nu functioneaza cum trebuie, faceai topic cu el (ceea ce ar fi fost mult mai bine pt ca formulele de baza la LB sunt relativ ok).

Groovy, inca o chestie: bonus heal de 4% din master shapeshifter este multiplicativ; iar tu l-ai calculat aditiv - .

1132.7184 * 1.25 = 1415.898 (Gift of nature) * 1.04 = ~ 1472.

Bloom-ul ala este buguit gramada; m-am uitat pe net si Gift of the Earthmother este multiplicativ cica.


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Din ce spune GM-ul, de acolo am scos "Everybody check my calculations, compare it with yours and tell me if there's any errors."
"If"-ul ala da de inteles ca s-ar putea sa fie corecte calculele lui. Dar n-am de gand sa discut semantica intr-un asemenea post.
Eu am postat bug-ul si sper sa se poata repara.

Am postat si https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51181&&name=gift-of-the-earthmother la sugestia ta, desi nu stiam ca daca ai semnalat o problema care tine de acest subiect trebuie sa faci neaparat alt post.

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Aici am demonstrat ca lifebloom merge bine. Pentru buguri la talente faceti posturi separate.

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