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Post Posted: 11-04-2013, 08:33:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Sunt luate de pe EJ: http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t129638-4_3_3_fire_mage_compendium/#Combustion

Deci practic, daca dai combustion doar peste living bomb, iti va da tick de 234 indiferent daca ai gear pe tine sau nu, acesta este base dps-ul dotului cand esti in curu gol si fara mastery, mai pe scurt nu calculeaza niciun modifier, aceeasi poveste si la pyro dot.

La ignite problema este ca (dupa cum vezi si pe EJ) trebuie sa calculeze damage-ul pe tick de ignite impartit la 2, eh aici cred ca el calculeaza tot ignite-u impartit la 2, deci baga ticku intreg nu impartit la 2.

The formula :

Tick damage = PyroDotPower/3 + LbDotPower/3 + IgniteTickDamage/2 <-- Acolo e problema

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Post Posted: 11-04-2013, 12:07:46 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Da este adevarat am testat si eu acum ceva vreme si spre surprinderea mea , era buguit negativ (am testat dintr-un motiv pe care il aflati mai jos). Insa daca tot suntem la topicul asta, mai mult ca sigur e ceva exploit (pe care unii dintre voi il stiu) si probabil este mai frumos daca l-ati spune la vre1 GM.

Ce exploit? Pai am vazut magi care dau cu full cdz cate 3k crits si magi care dau cu full cdz cate 12k crits pe acelasi target (4500+ resil). Unu dintre magii pe care l-am intalnit sa "abuzeze" de asa ceva este Feelmeh sau cam asa ceva avea numele, care m-a dus pe mine prin wall si barkskin de la full HP la 20% , iar partenerul meu a murit cand combustion era la 50% din duratie.

Deci daca stiti ceva legat de asta, este bine sa anuntati pe Raster/Ravenous, nu sa ascundeti. Cheers -


Cam la fel am patit si eu si partenerul meu.

Ceva nu-i in regula cu damage la combustion dar nu-mi dau seama de unde. Am tot facut ceva teste dar nu reusesc sa reproduc acel damage de 10k+.

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Post Posted: 11-04-2013, 12:42:16 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

din ce am vazut eu problema este la ignite in mare parte -



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Post Posted: 14-04-2013, 10:47:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Combustion nu ia in considerare LB si pyroblast si voi acum vreti sa strice si dmg din ignite?...wtf man!?
+1 sa se repare pentru ca magul fire nu da cum ar trebui.

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Post Posted: 15-04-2013, 09:35:29 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Combustion nu ia in considerare LB si pyroblast si voi acum vreti sa strice si dmg din ignite?...wtf man!?
+1 sa se repare pentru ca magul fire nu da cum ar trebui.


Ma, noi speram ca atunci cand repara portiunea calculata din ignite, repara si formulele la living bomb si pyro dot in combustion, ca daca nu au de gand mai bine il lasa asa altfel o sa devina inutil.
Este bug si trebuie raportat n-ai ce sa faci, nu putem face nimic decat sa asteptam.

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Post Posted: 22-04-2013, 14:31:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

+ 1 Bug major care influenteaza dps-u magilor foarte mult. Ar trebui sa se treaca la confirmed ca este explicat destul de clar de catre cel care a facut postul dar si de catre Odes.


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Post Posted: 22-04-2013, 15:12:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Cineva sa refaca topicul,si sa puna in primul post toate datele/formulele necesare repararii bugului,si atunci il trec la confirmed,ca asta deja e de 4 pagini.Mai bine imi cumpar un ziar.

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Post Posted: 22-04-2013, 16:38:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

@ zmR

http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Mage-PvP-PvE-Combustion-vs-Ignite-t212210.html

Ai acolo cum trebuie sa functioneze.

trilulilu wrote:
+ 1 Bug major care influenteaza dps-u magilor foarte mult. Ar trebui sa se treaca la confirmed ca este explicat destul de clar de catre cel care a facut postul dar si de catre Odes.


Daca repara sa ia bonus corect din ignite, o sa dea chiar mai putin ca acum. Dati +1 fara sa ganditi.

Some1 fix combustion, ne trage in jos dps magilor.
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Blizz:


Sursa de dps a magului e cam aceasi a?




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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 01:40:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

@Nerd nu o mai fa pe desteptul cu acel grafic de il arati tu ca e pe single target iar din printul de ni`l bagi pe gat e in aoe fight.
Ti se pare exagerat sa ai crit tick de 55k full buff trinkete si ce o mai fi fost in acel raid?

Acel grafic devine valabil cand ai 50+ casturi de fireball combustion pe single target etc. Cred ca ai prins ideea daca nu ma cauti sa iti fac un desen.




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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 02:22:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

nu poti sa ii explici unui rinocer ce ii ala portelan, cum nu poti sa ii explici la nerd care e treaba la combustion...


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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 02:32:44 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

1. Ala e grafic din raid
2. Aia pe Blizz nu au auzit de impact pe combustion, doar voi pe Freakz stiti sa dati aoe... da bine e de asteptat la raspunsuri de genu'.... -
3. Plangeti cat vreti dar cand o sa fie reparat sa tina cont de doturi asa cum trebuie, o sa scada dmg (poate de asta sunteti asa butthurt) -

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nu poti sa ii explici unui rinocer ce ii ala portelan, cum nu poti sa ii explici la nerd care e treaba la combustion...


Intrebare: Te-ar duce capu' sa iti argumentezi un punct de vedere? -




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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 03:05:24 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Se face hotfix in 4.2 pentru spred de combustion si tu zici ca aia de pe blizz nu au auzit de asa ceva - esti de toata jena

Hotfix (2011-07-26): "Combustion should no longer ignore damage modifiers on a target. As an example, Smoldering Elemental packs in the Firelands should no longer take full damage from Impact’s spread of Combustion, despite these creatures having damage reduction modifiers." Sursa

Ramai la clasa ta, toti dorim sa avem un joc cat mai aproapiat de blizz. NU sa aparem noi cu 50% dmg done pe boss si restu cu cate 6-7%.
Iar referitor la spred combustion pe target acesta trebuie sa functioneze in felul urmator la primul spred base tick> urmatorul tick 8 secunde > urmatorul 6 si tot asa pana se termina effectul. Dar iti pot garanta ca nu ai fight de adds care sa te tina mai mult de 20 de secunde ca nu esti singur in raid. Mai sunt si altii de dau dps pe acele targeturi si dupa 15 secunde nu mai ai la ce sa dai spred ca acei adds sunt morti.
Probleme mai mari la mag sunt la procurile de pyro care lipsesc cu desavarsire chiar daca ai 2 criticale consecutive din acele spelluri specificate in tooltip pe talentul de improve hot streak.
Dotul de critical mass care este afectat in raiduri atunci cand ai 2 sau mai multi magi, dotul luand in considerare doar ultimul aplicant al acestuia restul nemaibeneficiind de 5% inc crit.




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tulpan wrote:
Se face hotfix in 4.2 pentru spred de combustion si tu zici ca aia de pe blizz nu au auzit de asa ceva - esti de toata jena


Eram ironic, dar se pare ca te-am supraestimat.

Iar restu' ... TL;DR .




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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 13:56:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ZMR a modificat Kyogre si ai tot la inceput acum - .


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Post Posted: 23-04-2013, 18:08:14 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am facut alt topic,l-am aranjat putin sa se inteleaga ce e acolo,si e trecut la confirmed.

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