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Post Posted: 10-06-2013, 09:41:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: Death Strike
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Damage prea mare care rezulta in healuri prea mari si physical shield prea mare, problema e ca death strike e un spell mai complicat cu multi multiplieri (diseasuri, grlyph of death strike, damage taken in ultimele 5 sec etc) e cam greu sa-ti dai seama unde e buguit.

Voi lua reject mai mult ca sigur la acest topic dar sper ca pana sa se intample asta, cineva care nu tine de buguri pozitive ma va ajuta cu ceva informatii.

Uitandu-ma prin worldoflogs la dk tanks, n-am vazut vreunu sa treaca de 100k crits pe death strike in raiduri de 25hc (in afara de hagara) iar la noi un dk blood bis (cu ce se poate obtine pe server acum, nu donat) arunca cu criticale de 140k sau mai mult, la hagara 190k crits rofl. Am facut si o comparatie la morchok 10hc pe worldoflogs la damage taken ca DK tank, aici pe freakz poti sa termini fightu cu mai putin de 100k damage taken, pe retail (worldoflogs) se atingea milionu ca dk.

Dovada / Proof: Cum am spus mai sus, nu prea am dovezi gen formule concrete sau eu mai stiu ce, dar pot oferi puncte de referinta unde se vede clar ca ceva nu e in regula cu DK blood pe freakz, si de aici, sper eu, ca se vor mobiliza cativa oameni pentru ca deja a devenit monotona situatia, daca vrei sa fi tank in PvE esti DK ca nu se merita altceva, ba chiar pot spune ca afecteaza si dificultatea pve-ului.

Blood DK damage taken Morchok 10h - in mod paradoxal warrioru de sub el (2nd tank) cu aproape 300k mai putin damage luat -

Blood DK damage taken Morchok 25h- DK a luat 3.3 mil damage, pala tanku a luat 2 mil.

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Post Posted: 10-06-2013, 11:03:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

No bug here,deloc.

Uita la talente care are blood dk.

Bladed armor,bone shiield,improved death strike,dancing rune weapon si alte buffs.Calculeaza cu iteme care are si glyph.

PE blizz toti scriu ca blood dk in pvp da 40k cu crit sau citeodata mai mult.

Dar in PVE - el are vengeance si cu asta da asa mult damage ( cu 15000 ap in plus)
SI noormal ca blood dk da damage mai mult decit altii tanci.

DEath strike da 330% damage from weapon.Asta e cel mai tare spell la melee.





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Post Posted: 10-06-2013, 11:07:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

crasher wrote:
No bug here,deloc.

Uita la talente care are blood dk.

Bladed armor,bone shiield,improved death strike,dancing rune weapon si alte buffs.Calculeaza cu iteme care are si glyph.

PE blizz toti scriu ca blood dk in pvp da 40k cu crit sau citeodata mai mult.

Dar in PVE - el are vengeance si cu asta da asa mult damage ( cu 15000 ap in plus)
SI noormal ca blood dk da damage mai mult decit altii tanci.

DEath strike da 330% damage from weapon.Asta e cel mai tare spell la melee.


Tu nu ai fost atent la ce a zis el - A zis clar si simplu : pe blizz dk abea ajunge la 100k cand la noi si in et dai 110k-130k - => dmg prea mare la noi.




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Post Posted: 10-06-2013, 11:30:49 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

mihaytiger wrote:
crasher wrote:
No bug here,deloc.

Uita la talente care are blood dk.

Bladed armor,bone shiield,improved death strike,dancing rune weapon si alte buffs.Calculeaza cu iteme care are si glyph.

PE blizz toti scriu ca blood dk in pvp da 40k cu crit sau citeodata mai mult.

Dar in PVE - el are vengeance si cu asta da asa mult damage ( cu 15000 ap in plus)
SI noormal ca blood dk da damage mai mult decit altii tanci.

DEath strike da 330% damage from weapon.Asta e cel mai tare spell la melee.


Tu nu ai fost atent la ce a zis el - A zis clar si simplu : pe blizz dk abea ajunge la 100k cand la noi si in et dai 110k-130k - => dmg prea mare la noi.


Si nu doar asta, v-am dat loguri cu DAMAGE TAKEN pe blood dk la morchok 10h si 25h pe retail, comparati alea cu ce vedeti pe freakz, unde un DK blood BiS nu isi ia damage aproape deloc (unu care stie sa joace binenteles), si ma indoiesc ca asa trebuie sa mearga, altfel ce rost ar mai avea sa existe alte clase de tanci daca DK merge corect cum e acum dupa spusele voastre si e de 10 ori mai bun ca celelalte clase.

Totul pleaca de la death strike si damage-ul lui...de acolo vin absorburile catastrofale de nici nu te ating bossi daca nu au abilitati cu magic damage. Si ar mai fi un inculpat, multiplier-ul acela care mareste heal pe DS in functie de cat damage ai luat in ultimele 5 secunde, cred ca si ala nu merge bine(in sens pozitiv).
Daca vreti va dau linkuri cu logs de la blood DK pe retail sa vedeti ce dmg aveau ei pe death strike in raiduri de 25hc.

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unde ai mai vazut tu dk sa dea in Et 100k+ la Boss nu la mobi - si singurul boss unde prinzi crit peste 100k e Hagara.. si acolo prinzi pt k e stun - + Hero + cd`s tot felu Burn Death Strike -


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Post Posted: 10-06-2013, 14:16:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Va pun diseara printuri de la 25hc cu dk tanku nostru, si comparam rezultatele cu logurile de pe world of logs de damage taken, e bine? Mi se pare corect asa. Logurile la damage taken pe world of logs sunt foarte precise.
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Post Posted: 10-06-2013, 14:39:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Descrierea bugului / Bug description: Damage prea mare care rezulta in healuri prea mari si physical shield prea mare.

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Post Posted: 11-06-2013, 09:53:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ma,cum sa explic tie..PE blizz forums este scris ca in pvp el da 40000+ crit pe FULL RESIL (4500+)
Si pe freakz aproape tot asa sau MAI PUTIN decit ar trebui,deci daca tu ai vazut video unde dau 20k dps blood dk - nu inseamna ca are mult skill si tank bun.
Sunt multe buffs care afecteaza AP si chiar gems/enchants.. daca acel blood dk are tot la stamina si mastery - nu o sa dea mult DPS,iar daca are strenght/crit - o sa dea foarte tare.
Tu trebuie sa arati ce gear are el,ce gems,si altele.. si chiar ce buffs avea si ce a folosit.

Dupa asta o sa zici ca e buguit..in timp ce este - blood dk acum lucreaza foarte rau ( buguit negativ)





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Post Posted: 11-06-2013, 20:16:48 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Shield-ul e in functie de damage-ul primit / minim 7% din viata, nu din damage dealt. ( dealt != sustained ).
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Post Posted: 11-06-2013, 23:42:43 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Este foarte posibil ca death strike sa nu fie cauza, poate fi altceva nu e batut in cuie, in fine ma bucur ca va amuzati, luati si radeti la asta:

Damage taken Yor'sahj 25h pe Freakz


Damage taken Yor'sahj 25h pe retail (puteti cauta mai multi daca vreti)
Un random dk tank pe worldoflogs





Damage taken Hagara 25h pe Freakz


Damage taken Hagara 25h retail (iarasi, puteti cauta alti tanci daca nu va place exemplu asta)
Un random dk pe worldoflogs





Damage taken Morchok 25h pe Freakz (fiti atenti aici sa vedeti diferenta)


Damage taken Morchok 25h pe retail
Un random dk pe worldoflogs

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Post Posted: 12-06-2013, 00:40:48 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu sunt cele mai bune exemple alea de pe world of logs .Toti cei 3 tanci pe care i'ai luat ca exemplu sunt orientati catre DPS si nu catre avoidance .Toti 3 joaca cu bonelink fetish si se pare ca au si spec orientat catre dps (blood caked blades nu e un talent luat in mod normal) .De asemenea daca te uiti la damage done la cele 3 fighturi tancii aia au cate 39k dps la fiecare boss deci cu siguranta interesul lor este sa dea cat mai mult dmg si nu sa evite cat mai mult dmg .

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soulkreep wrote:
Nu sunt cele mai bune exemple alea de pe world of logs .Toti cei 3 tanci pe care i'ai luat ca exemplu sunt orientati catre DPS si nu catre avoidance .Toti 3 joaca cu bonelink fetish si se pare ca au si spec orientat catre dps (blood caked blades nu e un talent luat in mod normal) .De asemenea daca te uiti la damage done la cele 3 fighturi tancii aia au cate 39k dps la fiecare boss deci cu siguranta interesul lor este sa dea cat mai mult dmg si nu sa evite cat mai mult dmg .


Nu-i nicio problema, uite unu la morchok 25h care nu era orientat pe dps, mai zic odata in caz ca n-ai vazut primele 2 dati cand am scris, daca nu iti convine exemplul, cauta altu ca slava domnului ai de unde alege sunt atatea loguri. Comparare placuta.

Ah si am uitat sa fac printuri cu damage pe death strike sa comparati si aia...poate fac maine, daca nu, saptamana viitoare.



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Post Posted: 12-06-2013, 00:51:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

+1111111111111111111111 pt odese la noi pe freakz dk e IMBA SUPER CARAT si ceilalti tanci sunt degeaba...am tankat cu dk blood 385 yor shaj 10h fara probleme cu 2 heal (shamy+druid) si cu main char war 402 ilvl ma zbat sa nu iau 2 bucati sa ma lesine ... acu 2 seri am stat cu un coleg de guilda si am testat. El pe dk blood (off char) 30 mastery din 4 death strike si-a dat maxim absorb adica HP lui ...la absorbu de 180 k (aproximativ) mai adaugati vro 100k heal din acele 4 death strike si deja dk nu are nevoie de nimik alceva !

In cele din urma nu conteaza dk blood va ramane asa sa poata juca copii in pvp...

SAVE WAR 4.3.4 ar trebui sa fie de war + druid tanci !




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Eu nu stiu unde a-ti jucat voi Blood DK PvP pe cataclysm...dar in nici un caz pe Live dupa afirmatiile alea. DK blood nu ...este o clasa care sa dea dmg seriously -.-. Nu am chef sa intru in mai multe detalii prentru ca mi-e scarba si sictir maxim. Dar cum a zis si Odes pe FREAKZ DK blood da prea mult dmg PvE cat si PvP >.> ....


http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/magtheridon/Ghicicine/simple
http://armory.freakz.ro/character-sheet.xml?r=Genesis&n=Gc
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Post Posted: 12-06-2013, 08:53:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

din intamplare am jucat putin pe blizz pe 4.3 dk blood tank, putin dar totusi am apucat sa imi dau seama ca voi aici aberati, dk e best tank dragon soul, war mereu a fost last tank pe cata, si inca ceva la noi tancii dau putin in comparatie cu blizz, stati linistiti -


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