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Post Posted: 07-05-2013, 00:26:12 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Salutare tuturor in special lui Hrn...-

Inainte de toate vreau sa imi mentionez statusurile de haste ...momentan am mers mai mult pe haste - 3186 mai precis ( asa mi-am zis ) ...am ignorat putin hit rating, am 1677 hit rating - cu sansa de miss la target de 88/boss de 0.63 % ( - pe test dummy in aceste conditii nu dau miss deloc ) - mastery 20.59; am si setul de elem hc.
deci : 27,95 haste fara totem ; cates LB in 1,6 sec.; cu bonusul acela de 3 stack ( 750 haste ) ajung la 35,44 haste si castez LB in 1.5 sec ( de la primul stack de time rupture fac 1.5 sec, la 3 stackuri valoarea fiind aceeasi, respectiv de 1.5 sec cat LB )

cu totem de haste jos sunt urmatoarele valori : 34.34 haste si castez LB in 1.5 sec; time-ul la cast de LB se schimba la aceste valori la 2 stackuri de time rupture ( TR) adica 39,59 haste, cand castez LB in 1.4 sec.; ( un stack nu schimba nimic si nici la 3 stackuri unde ajungi la 42.21 haste, nu se schimba nimic - castul fiind si la 42.21 haste tot de 1,4 sec. )

Sa bagam in ecuatie BL ( totem de haste fiind jos ) - valoare haste = 74.65 haste ; cast time LB = 1.1 sec ( fara bonus de time rupture ) - apoi va enumerez valorile de la 1 stack pana la 3 stacuri de Time rupture
1 stack de TR haste = 78.05 haste = 1.1 sec cast LB
2 stack de TR haste = 81,46 hastte = 1,1 sec cast LB
3 stack de TR haste = 84,87 haste = 1,1 sec cast LB

Sa mai adaugam ecuatiei de BL + totem de haste jos - elemental mastery. In aceste conditii - valoare haste = la 3 stacuri de TR adica valoarea de 121,85 haste, castez LB in 0.9 sec.

Atunci " za next logical question " e : Cat haste tre sa am sa dau lb in 1.0 sec. ; 2200 crd ca nu imi ajunge .

Si as mai vreau sa stiu in aceste conditii vitrege de " haste " sa pun reforge in mastery?

Mie unul bonusul de 4 piese nu mi se pare nu stiu ce castig ( cast lb. de la 1.5 sec - la 1.4 sec + sansa sa stai cu 3 stackuri de TR pe tine mica )

Ce sfaturi imi dati ? Hrn ...tu ce zici? Ce ma sfatuiesti ?

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Post Posted: 07-05-2013, 03:13:44 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Salut, in mod normal bonusul de 4 piese e un castig enorm, pentru ca efectiv castigi 750 mastery in plus (scoti 750 din hasteul necesar de pe tine si bagi in mastery), in mod normal, dupa cum am spus cam peste tot, la BIS GEAR se joaca undeva in jurul a 2200 haste, dar full bis gear inseamna atat bonus de 4 piese, cat si trinkete de la spine+yor sahj, dintre care in discutia asta intra doar insignia de la yor sahj, care iti mai boosteaza hasteul si el foarte mult, atunci cand are proc.

Nu stiu care e treaba cu bonusul ala si de ce se simte atat de putin, din ce explici tu pare a fi o problema acolo, incearca sa verifici cast timeul la lightning bolt cam in conditiile astea:

-lasa pe tine doar 2000 haste, vezi la ce cast time ajungi cu 3 stackuri la 4p bonus, adica cu 2750 haste, apoi pune pe tine o valoare apropiata de 2750 haste doar din iteme, daca ai acelasi cast time in ambele cazuri inseamna ca bonusul merge bine, daca nu faci un bug report pe tema asta ca sa se rezolve.

lasand asta la o parte, in toate teoriile descrise de tine acolo nu vad nicaieri sa mentionezi hasteul luat din elemental mastery, care la gearul tau ar trebuii sa fie folosit foarte des, si trebuie sa iei in considerare si hasteul ala, pentru ca daca o sa ajungi in bloodlust cu 3 stackuri de bonus sa ai 1 sec cast la light bolt, cu elemental mastery activ o sa scazi destul de mult sub 1 sec, si practic singurul tau cd ofensiv tu o sa il folosesti doar pentru dmg in plus pe lava burst, de haste n-o sa te bucuri deloc, si asta nu e bine.

L.E.: mai apoi am vazut, exact ce-ti spuneam, ajungi la cast time prea mic, hasteul folosit de la 1 sec pana la 0.9 il folosesti mai bine transformat in mastery

Ideea in mare e ca atunci cand ai pe tine si elemental mastery activ, si totem jos, si 3 stackuri de bonus de 4 piese, eventual si dark intent (daca sti ca o sa il ai in toate raidurile), si bl activ sa ajungi cat mai aproape de 1 sec cast pe lightning bolt, si in rest bagi tot in mastery, in felul asta vei da in burst maxim posibil, si dupa aia cu ajutorul elemental mastery+proc de insignia sa iti mentii dps-ul cat poti de bine.

evident toate lucrurile astea sunt valabile doar in teorie, in conditii perfecte de joc, conditii pe care nu le vei gasi niciodata pe un server privat, indiferent de cat de ridicata e calitatea jocului aici, deci cel mai bun sfat care ti-l pot da este sa iti faci singur putin theorycrafting, sa incerci toate metodele posibile si sa vezi ce ti se potriveste tie cel mai bine aici pe server, eu n-am acces la gear mai mult decat ce e disponibil acum pe server asa ca nu te pot ajuta mai mult de atat.



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Post Posted: 07-05-2013, 15:34:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Bun ...am sa mai fac niste teste...pana atunci iti multumesc de sfaturi -

Referitor la castul LB-ului cu elem mastery activat, cu toteme jos si cu valorile de haste descrise mai sus, ajung sa castez LB in 1,2 sec. TR-ul si la 1 stack si la 2 si la 3, nu imi scade castul in elem mastery la LB, deci tot 1,2 sec ramane.

O data la 3 min timp de 15 sec voi putea casta LB in 1.2 sec ...in rest in 1,5 ( fara TR ) si 1,4 sec ( cu 3 stackuri de TR )

Ramane sa mai fac teste putin ...daca e sa te prind in game mai schimbam niste rezultate Hrn ...daca nu o sa te deranjez .

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Post Posted: 05-07-2013, 09:49:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Imi puteti da o lista cu BIS gear la elemental ? Am cautat pe net si nu am gasit.
Si daca se poate, sa puneti si de unde le pot lua sau macar care se pot lua le valor(daca sunt)


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NU- Head: Spiritwalker's Headpiece
Morchok HC- Neck: Petrified Fungal Heart
NU- Shoulders: Imperfect Specimens 27 and 28
Valor points- Back: Nanoprecise Cape sau Woundlicker Cover
NU- Chest: Spiritwalker's Hauberk
NU- Wrist: Grotesquely Writhing Bracers
Alizabal- Hands: Spiritwalker's Gloves
NU-Waist: Belt of Shattered Elementium
Yor'sahj HC- Legs: Spiritwalker's Kilt
Yor'sahj HC- Feet: Mindstrainer Treads
Hagara HC- Ring: Ring of the Riven
Shared loot HC- Ring: Signet of Suturing
NU-Trinket: Will of Unbinding
Yor'sahj HC- Trinket: Insignia of the Corrupted Mind
Valor points- Relic: Lightning Spirit in a Bottle
NU- Offhand: Timepiece of Bronze Flight sau Ledger of Revolting Rituals
NU- Weapon: Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest daca nu, second best este Rathrak, the Poisonous Mind


asta este lista BIS pentru patchul pe care jucam, la cele care se pot obtine am scris inainte de item si de unde, iar la cele care nu se pot obtine am scris un mare NU in fata


pentru cele care nu se pot obtine inca iti fac o lista scurta cu itemele cele mai bune pe care le poti folosi deocamdata:

head- valor points
umeri- tier, hagara hc
chest- valor points
wrist- craftate cu lw/valor points (cele craftate sunt mai bune)
waist- morchok HC
trinket- shared loot, cunning of the cruel
off-hand- trash mobs DS
weapon- Yor'sahj hc, daggerul, Scalpel of unrelenting agony, este mult mai bun decat maceul de la morchok pentru ca nu da crit, iti recomand sa te concentrezi pe a lua daggerul, nu acel mace



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Post Posted: 30-07-2013, 13:06:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

exista vreun guide complete?
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Eu cu enha fac un elemental liber ; ))


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Post Posted: 11-08-2013, 11:45:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

oMSQo wrote:
exista vreun guide complete?


Cam tot ce vezi pe aci, nu prea mai joaca lumea elem ca e mort pe frkz, nu prea s.a ocupat nimeni de el (playeri/Gms), joaca enhace


https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/sylvanas/mostfckedup
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Magicqtz wrote:
oMSQo wrote:
exista vreun guide complete?


Cam tot ce vezi pe aci, nu prea mai joaca lumea elem ca e mort pe frkz, nu prea s.a ocupat nimeni de el (playeri/Gms), joaca enhace


Problema nu este ca nu s-a ocupat nimeni de el ..ci ca s-a ocupat prea mult!. La inceput de versiune, dadea un dmg decent desi nu mergea haste cum trebuie sau mastery, acum boom=> fulmination da maxim 80 k dmg crit full burst (pe 4.0.6 dadeam lejer 120 k), searing totem 2700 dps (dadeam 3 k dps)

La inceput mergea talentul feedback..acum wtf? castez lb timp de 3 minute pana pot sa dau elemental mastery.
Cu fiecare fix la shamanu elemental am sansa sa dau dmg mai mare daca ma duc sa dau cu autoatack!!!

Din 4.0.6 si pana in 4.3.4, in toate changelogurile dintre patchuri a crescut dmg-ul de la spelurile shamanului elemental si totusi aici pe freakz merge din OK spre varza.

Vrei sa joci DPS?=> go enha!!!

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Post Posted: 14-08-2013, 11:17:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ba gamere pe zi ce trece tu esti tot mai prost....talentu feedback merge perfect...
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shef camatar wrote:
ba gamere pe zi ce trece tu esti tot mai prost....talentu feedback merge perfect...


sigur ..cum spui tu. Daca mergea cum trebuie, ar fi trebuit sa dau elemental mastery la fiecare 120 sec... La cum merge shamanu elemental pe freakz in clipa de fata dupa toate "fixurile sale" stai si te intrebi cum in clipurile de pe youtube de raiduri heroice la madness of deathwing, shamanu elemental este pe locul 3 la dps dupa mag fire si war...iar la noi...Chiar asa ..tu pe ce loc esti la dps /dmg done intr-un raid pve hc?

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Post Posted: 14-08-2013, 16:06:27 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ma da esti zgarcit in ceea ce priveste explicatiile, zi si mie cat haste am nevoie, ca asa dupa explicatia ta ma mastery nare ce cauta, cat e capu, de ce e atat... esti chitra la explicatii


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guys???? pana la urma elemental se joaca full haste??? eu inteleg de ce full haste si de ce nu Thinking full haste ai dps mic...dar...daaar ai cast time foarte low si cand spun low,spun ca poti sa dai si 20...25 k dps.Un shaman cu dps strong* da sa zicem prin absurd 70k per LBolt are castu MARE(thats what she said - ) si sanse super maxime de intrerupt pana casteaza el aia 70 k tu cu ai tai 20 k il bati si iti faci si o cafea dupa -) Vreau sa aud argumente gen: frate fara haste e bug si ai sanse sa il summonezi pe thrall sau nush pana mea:(
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Post Posted: 05-01-2015, 23:15:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Magicqtz wrote:
Elementalul indiferent ce e PvP/PvE se joaca la haste



PVP
that will give you haste, only an additional teak Flame Shock or 0.2-0.4 sek for casting and helps to heal you? this idiocy!

but mastery, IF it proceed gives amazing results; for example on arena with one lava burst blows more than half HP

in pvp haste only helps to heal, try reforge all mastery in full arena 19-20 mastery better than 17-18% haste, but if you take 2 T13 (for bonus set)
it will give +2000 ~ 32 total mastery → 63% chance double spel ― and you say you'll put more dps in haste?? Never in you life
on elems in mastery on bg/arena is terrifying dps as solo target as aoe, but good elems are so few

PVE
with good equipment 4 T13, 2200-2300 enough, I'm not saying that it doesnt need but more of already plays no role
after that everything must be put in masterу, the more the better; 2400-2600 its 44-45% chance double spel + trinked from haste is the key to excellent dps; at 400-403 ilvl can be given 40-50k dps

Some macros:
compact using keybinds; You can come up with hundreds of uses for modify, very useful thing (only for trained pinkie!!!!)

PVP
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod:shift] Lava burst
/castsequence [mod:shift] reset=target Unleash Elements, Cataclysmic Gladiator's Badge of Dominance, Flame Shock, Spiritwalker's Grace, Elemental Mastery, Lava burst

PVE
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod:shift] Lava burst
/castsequence [mod:shift] reset=target Unleash Elements, Bottled Wishes, Flame Shock, Spiritwalker's Grace, Volcanic Potion, Elemental Mastery, Lava burst


#showtooltip
/stopcasting
/cast [nomod:ctrl, nomod:atl, nomod:shift] Earth Shock
/cast [mod:shift] Frost Shock
/cast [mod:ctrl] Flame Shock
/cast [mod:alt] Primal Strike



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