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Post Posted: 21-02-2014, 20:28:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)
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Sedys nu cred ca esti in masura sa'l iei pe el la rost ca nu ti-a explicat , joci paladin? intelege'ti clasa singur fara ajutor. Tu ar trebui sa stii ce face mastery , ce face haste si crit. Niciunul din noi nu e nevoit sa iti explice tie , este toturial , scrie frumos acolo tot ce vrei sa stii, daca nu intelegi .. aia e partea a 2-a.

Mastery -> aditional damage (de ex crusader strike de 30k -> hand of light(mastery) de 15k , in cazul in care ai 50% mastery , depinde de iteme,
haste -> te ajuta cu cd'ul de la Crusader Strike daca ai si talentul respectiv , foarte folositor cand ai Bloodlust(hero)
crit -> dmg mai mare , destul de useless

am scris aici in cel mai concis mod posibil, daca chiar te intereseaza , testeaza si singur.


Daca ai fi citit ai fi inteles ca eu deja stiam ce face mastery-ul si crit-ul , hasteul nu ma intereseaza absolut deloc atata timp cat pe freakz acel talent nu functioneaza. Am cerut pareri si explicatia pentru care jucati asa , nu v-am cerut sa-mi explicati ce face fiecare stat , este o cu totul alta treaba. Atata timp cat aici nu mi-ai explicat decat ce face fiecare stat , nu mi-ai raspuns la intrebarea mea , tu la ce joci si de ce? Aceasta era intrebarea.


Te duci la dummy cu full mastery, vezi cat dai.
Dupa te duci la dummy cu full crit, vezi ca dai cu 6-7k dps mai putin..

Acum vine intrebarea ta.. De ce joaca toti la mastery?


Tocmai de am fauct acest test si mi-a iesit cu 6-7k in plus pe crit fata de mastery. Tin sa mentionez ca nu am B.I.S. si ma doar 397 pe pve.

Burst sau ce? 1 milion damage? hhahaa, daca planuiesti sa faci doar et ok, ramai pe crit. Cat dai burst poate se merita sa fii pe crit ca dai dmg mare dar in encounter lung cand trebuie sa dai mult damage nu se merita - + ca aici daca bagi crit ca prostu cel putin pe paladin abea dai crit.
sa iti explic calculat dc e mai bn mastery: Esti pe crit si dai pe boss 40k crit + 5k mastery = 45k dmg (desigur daca ai noroc sa dai crit), pe mastery daca dai crit poti da sa zicem 35k+20k mastery = 55k dmg, trebuie sa te bazezi pe sustain damage nu pe bulan de procs la 1 mil sau 2 mil dps.
Sfatul meu? Joaca rogue, panarama de clasa.


Panarama de clasa? Zice paladinu' 3 butoane 4 cu tot cu burst...anyway...sa ii explic omului care e treaba cu stats...la paladin...
prioritatea e mastery>crit>haste...
de ce mastery? pt ca templaru', crusader strike si divine storm dau damage aditional in functie de cat ai mastery..( Hand of light)...e dmg constant comparativ cu crit unde e chestie de noroc...de ce crit si apoi haste? pt crit scaleaza bn cu mastery si cu cat ai mai mult mastery si dai mai multe crits cu atat o sa dai mai mult dps...de ce haste p ultimu' loc in lista de prioritati? ok ...e simplu pe cataclism nu poti atinge o valoare a hastelui care sa influenteze atat de mult cd la cruder strike astfel incat sa faca acest stat viabil...e ca si cum ai incerca sa atingi un haste cap...dar gearu de cataclysm nu permite acest lucru...cel mai bine e sa ai strenght cat mai mult > mastery cu caru'> crit decent>haste ce ramane.
Testul care zici ca l-ai facut tu in care ai dat mai mult cu gear reforgiut in crit la dummy...e exact cum spuneam chestie de noroc...daca ai noroc de crits...in burst prinzi la 400+ ilvl burst de 60k+ la dummy ... dar apoi cand te indrepti spre 5 mil...scazi undeva la 37-38k...depinde....asta ti sa intamplat si tie ...ai avut noroc...daca faci acelasi test de 30 ori o sa vezi ca e doar rng...nimic mai mult...in schimb la mastery stii sigur ca dmg ala o sa il dai ... daca mai dai si crit si mai bn...dar nu esti atat de dependent de rng...ai sustained mai bun..cu toate ca paladinul este si va fi, indiferent de ce iti spun toti ( playeri pro) clasa de BURST...cu cat dai burst mai tare cu atat mai bn.


In sfarsit un om care raspunde strict la ce intreb... ok , mersi de informatii. Dupa ce voi atinge 404+ ilvl , ma voi muta la loc pe mastery , dar pana atunci raman la "noroc". Iti multumesc mult pt explicatii si timpul acordat.


A muri nu inseamna a fi invins.Dar a trai invins si fara glorie,inseamna a muri in fiecare zi!
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Post Posted: 21-02-2014, 22:07:14 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)
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In sfarsit un om care raspunde strict la ce intreb... ok , mersi de informatii. Dupa ce voi atinge 404+ ilvl , ma voi muta la loc pe mastery , dar pana atunci raman la "noroc". Iti multumesc mult pt explicatii si timpul acordat.




10-15% crit in plus pentru 35-40% dmg increase. Seems legit (not, stick to pvp)


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casuta soulkreep / Plasmalord / Splina citeste ce ti-am trimis pe whisper cred ca am gasit buba la ret. -


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Post Posted: 03-03-2014, 02:41:16 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)
As avea si eu 1 intrebare. Ce trinkete sunt mai bune pentru gurtalak ca sa faca proc la tentacule, 2-3 deodata de ex.
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Post Posted: 03-03-2014, 13:02:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)
Buna intrebare. (nu mai visa)




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Post Posted: 03-03-2014, 13:20:05 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)
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As avea si eu 1 intrebare. Ce trinkete sunt mai bune pentru gurtalak ca sa faca proc la tentacule, 2-3 deodata de ex.

Nu au nicio treaba trinketele.... daca ai norocul scris in frunte iti procuie non stop daca nu... ai 1 proc la 5 min intr`un encounter sau 1 data la 5 arene -



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As avea si eu 1 intrebare. Ce trinkete sunt mai bune pentru gurtalak ca sa faca proc la tentacule, 2-3 deodata de ex.

Bone-Link Fetish, pentru ca-ti da un hit in plus si Crushing Weight, pentru ca-ti da haste, dar cum a zis Fair, BULAN !


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Post Posted: 19-03-2014, 15:56:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)
Spec / glyphs / trinkets ( cat de cat ok si usor de luat ) / weapon pentru PVP paladin?
inca ceva , crit sau mastery ? am citit pe AT ca la pvp Crit > mastery 24/7 , adevarat? Mersi !
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Post Posted: 31-03-2014, 08:56:30 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)
Vortex se merita pe specul de retri?


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Post Posted: 31-03-2014, 12:39:18 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)
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Vortex se merita pe specul de retri?

depinde de fight


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Post Posted: 31-03-2014, 15:32:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)
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Post Posted: 01-04-2014, 13:39:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)
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nu se merita


Corect.


A muri nu inseamna a fi invins.Dar a trai invins si fara glorie,inseamna a muri in fiecare zi!
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Post Posted: 01-04-2014, 19:08:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)
jokedy&sedys, ați încercat personal într-un burn phase?(morchok sau ultrax). Dps-ul l-am avut mai mare, dar dmg done-ul a fost puțin mai mic. -


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Post Posted: 01-04-2014, 21:27:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)
Am incercat - am avut burst pfaiaiai ... si dps ok la sfarsitul bosului ... si ia ghici? cu trinket normal Burst mai mic .. si dps mult mai mare la sfarsit.( E vorba de damage aici nu de dps , daca vrei dps sunt prea multe cai sa dai dps mare dar degeaba)

Tu zici ca se merita pentru ca faci switch la trinkete si esti full donat , sa vad un player cu iteme decente ce se pot lua normal + vortex ca da mai bine decat cu trinkets normale si nu-l mai dau jos .. pana atunci e uuuuseleees.




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sa mai umblat la retri@pve in ultima vreme? intreb deoarece am inceput sa scot mult mai putin decat scoatem pana acuma 1-2 sapt in urma, sa dau exp zon pe 10 n ceva banal, scoatem gen 60 k la gear normal acuma daca abia mai scot 50 k la final -
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