Cross-faction battlegrounds?

[Necromantres]

WARNING, LONG POST ABOUT RACES THAT HATES EACH OTHER




Trolls and elves have hated each other since the dawn of time, it all started over land. The Darkspear tribe (the tribe currently allied with the Horde) was a jungle troll tribe originally part of the Gurubashi empire. They were forced out by the larger, more powerful tribes and settled on an island. They joined the Horde after the orcs saved their village from an evil naga sea witch on their way to Kalimdor.

Undead used to be part of the Scourge and most Alliance still view them that way even though they've broken off. They joined the Horde out of self-preservation. Sylvanas sent ambassadors to several races, but the Tauren took pity on them in their cursed state and they were allowed to join. This also gave the Horde their first major foothold in the Eastern Kingdoms.

Blood elves were betrayed by Garithos after the destruction of Silvermoon (the human commander of what remained of Lordaeron who was being controlled by a demon, but that is not common knowledge.) He sent Kael'thas and his elves on a suicide mission and when they survived by getting help from the naga, he had them imprisoned and sentenced them to death for being 'traitors.' When they escaped, again with the help of the naga, they left the Alliance.

Tauren got pulled into the conflict by being allies of the orcs. Thrall was 'like a brother' to their chieftan, Cairne Bloodhoof, after he saved the tribe from the centaur clans.

Orcs were originally from Draenor. The Burning Legion manipulated them into attacking the Draenei and once they were all but exterminated they started fighting amongst themselves. In order to keep the bloodthirsty orcs from killing themselves off with in-fighting, Gul'dan cahooted with Medhiv (possessed by Sargeras) to open the Dark Portal and bring the orcs to Azeroth. That started the First War which destroyed pretty much all of the Eastern Kingdoms south of Dun Morogh. In the Second War the Alliance of Lordearon managed to push the orcs (who had allied with some of the troll tribes) all the way back to the Dark Portal and close it.

Most of the remaining orcs were captured and put into interment camps. They were freed by Thrall, Doomhammer, and Grom Hellscream and led to Kalimdor. There they tried to gather lumber from Ashenvale forest and the Night elves attacked them without warning. In order to fight of Cenarius, who had joined the elves, Grom willingly drank the blood of Mannoroth (which had led to their enslavement to the Legion the first time around) and promptly fell under the demon's power again. He killed Cenarius before Thrall stopped him and they confronted Mannoroth. Grom killed the demon (freeing the rest of the orcs) but also lost his life.

During the Third War all of the races allied together to fight off the combined Burning Legion and Scourge. After they were defeated however, the old hatreds were still there and they broke into the two factions.

TL;DR-
Elves and trolls still hate each other- it's practically ingrained in their DNA.
No living race trusts the Forsaken, but the Horde need them/tauren pity them so they are tolerated.
The blood elves still hold a grudge against the humans for betraying them in their hour of need.
The orcs hate the humans for putting them in the interment camps and refuse to accept the blame for the First and Second Wars since they only attacked because they were being manipulated by the Burning Legion.
The tauren just got pulled into the conflict by allying with the orcs.
Goblins (at least the playable cartel of goblins- most of them remain neutral) allied with the orcs after they were shipwrecked on an island and clashed with the Alliance there.
The night elves hate the orcs because Grom killed Cenarius and is still celebrated as a hero. Also because they refuse to stop trying to log Ashenvale.
The humans hate the orcs for their unprovoked invasion that kicked off the First War. They don't care that they were controlled by demons, most average villager probably doesn't even know all of the details of it.
Gnomes and Dwarves fall largely in line with the humans since their races were fairly close long before the First War and also came under attack during it and the subsequent conflicts.
Draenei hate the orcs because of the genocide committed against them on Draenor.
Draenei hate the blood elves because Kael'thas' elves attacked them on Draenor in order to take control of Tempest Keep.
Worgens- see humans. Also because the Forsaken tried to take over Gilneas and ended up killing their prince and running them off.



If we take out the war between those 2 factions, then what's the point in all of this? It's not because we hate the alliance/horde, it just isn't how it is supposed to be.
Let's take my example, i play only at horde, and i've met alliance soldiers more capable, understanding and mature than many of the horde players, and i can say i hate them.Another example, i mostly do PvE, and as always i have some interaction with the alliance, either in Tol Barad or Azhara or random places,we ussualy end up killing each other, not because we hate each other, we don't even now each other, it's because that's how it is, a conflict.

Now,i've read about why we don't hate arenas where is alliance vs alliance or horde vs horde.It's very simple, at arenas we test each other and encourage ourselves with words full of knowledge and glory like screw you, noob, and so on.But a battleground it's different,if it would be cross faction, what will be the point in the arena, since you're fighting the same enemy, just on a different scale (10 vs 10).
It's like hearing the alliance leader saying: Zub Zub or Strength and Honor with horde voice, it doesn't affect me to much, it isn't game breaking, but it just isn't right.

Those being said, You can stay here and let old arguments fester as players have always done... or you can fight the enemy you were born to destroy, and win a new future for our children. I choose to fight. Now hold your heads high like true Horde! There's an Alliance that needs killing! (chargin' at the enemy even if i'm a death knight)



Samantar amarat si onest.Uneori comerciant de dude sau speculant de iluzii.

[InsanePain]

Okay... Just changed my mind, back to lore friendly killin`




"In the land of the killers, a sinner`s mind is a sanctum."

[swiftmendftw]

treaba cu dungeon finder cross faction e o idee extraordinara fantastica cui i-a venit respect maxim ca am stat in que la rdf si cate 40-50 minute acum maxim 15 minute stau sa fac pe dps

dar la bg se sta in que sub 10 minute si oamenii se asteapta sa stea in que la bg pe gandirea gen : tocmai am luat 1 item pe honor dau join la que si pana imi soketez enchantez si eventual reforge pe item se face vremea sa intru bg

inca o chestie pt care bg que nu tre sa fie cross faction din cauza ca sar putea sa fie instant ca mai intra cate 1 tare in gura cu 0 skill care se injura cu toata lumea si face bguri pe banda nervi pe banda samd cand se mai calmeaza ala daca intra instant in bg

pe de alta parte 1 sistem de kick ca la rdf ar fi fantastic nu am mai fi obligati sa toleram limbaj sau cel mai grav oameni care intra cu 70k HP ori sa faca misto ori intra noobi care nu stiu ce au de facut in bg dar in fine deviez deja de la subiect scuze

concluzia finala cross faction in bg nu e o idee buna deloc parerea mea si daca o sa puneti chestia asta sa va asteptati la f multe posturi pt mute ca se vor injura juniorii ca la usa cortului

salut echipa freakz si la unele chestii freakz chiar e baza tineti-o tot asa bft

[mnr2311]

arggalati12 wrote:

Impotriva , cred ca deja derivam prea mult de la statusul de blizz-like , inca consider ca unirea celor 2 realmuri ar fi de ajuns pentru echilibrarea pvp-ului is pve-ului.

+1 Scama @-prea multa bataie de cap cu un drq de raid 23565454 de intrebari ....

[rockhard]

nu, jocul e horde vs alliance. cand apare un 'greater evil', in raiduri sau dungeon se fac aliante dar pe bg nu.

[mario_robert94]

Pentru cei care intreaba de ce dati "no" atata timp cat pe blizz e rated battleground horde vs horde si alliance vs alliance. Da, este horde vs horde si alliance vs alliance, dar 10 horde vs 10 horde nu 5 horde 5 alliance vs 5 horde 5 alliance intr-un rated battleground.

[btoni223]

NO ONE GIVES A FLYING *** ABOUT LORE. IF YOU WANT LORE GO AND PLAY ON OFFICIAL SERVERS /CAPS OFF

Acum, toti cei care joaca exclusiv pentru PvP si care s-au saturat sa stea 30 de ani sa intre intr-un BG o sa fie multumiti. Ce esenta a jocului visati toti? Eu nu va inteleg, cand te bati in arena cu unul de la alianta/horde se duce dracul toata esenta jocului atunci? Cand te duci in BG nu o sa stai sa te uiti, vai asta e human, e preferatul meu, il iubesc, nu il omor. Daca voi aveti chef sa stati 1 luna sa faceti full ruthless ca un Queue dureaza mai mult decat tot BG-ul, nu am nici o problema.

Plus ca voiam de mult timp sa omor toti "valorosii" de la alianta

Vad ca apasatorii de 5 butoane intr-o anumita ordine aka PvE heroes nu au nimic impotriva raidurilor cross-faction.

[ravagex]

crossfaction e strigatul disperat al unui server pe duca.

daca nu va ganditi sa treceti pe pandaria fiti siguri ca nu or sa mai vina playerii inapoi. molten si-au deschis deja ptr de pandaria si cand va fi release si mai multi de pe freakz vor pleca acolo pt. ca expansiune noua,la fel cum freakz a atras mii de playeri cu cataclysmul cand lumea se plictisise de wotlk. insa pe vremea aia se faceau release-uri calumea si pvp si pve nu in ritmu de acu.

[Mutilation]

o prostie...

[sadolock]

Un rãspuns simplu ºi concret: Nu. Care mai e farmecul atunci ? Arenele sunt altã mâncare de peºte, d'aia pici Ally vs Ally, Horde vs Horde. E de-ajuns cã nu putem face raiduri Orgrimmar/Stormwind fãrã de a da de "gardienii gladiatori freakz". S-a înþeles, crapã serverul, dar hai sã nu stricãm esenþa jocului . Ura dintre facþiuni face tot jocul, pãrerea mea.

Observ cã mulþi au votat deja Da. Bãnuiesc cã au fãcut-o fãrã cunoºtinþã de cauzã. Eu zic sã vã gândiþi mai bine înainte de a lua aceastã decizie.

Este doar pãrerea personalã. Ai ceva împotriva acestui post? Nu-mi pasã.

Take care.

[Necromantres]

btoni223 wrote:

NO ONE GIVES A FLYING *** ABOUT LORE. IF YOU WANT LORE GO AND PLAY ON OFFICIAL SERVERS /CAPS OFF Acum, toti cei care joaca exclusiv pentru PvP si care s-au saturat sa stea 30 de ani sa intre intr-un BG o sa fie multumiti. Ce esenta a jocului visati toti? Eu nu va inteleg, cand te bati in arena cu unul de la alianta/horde se duce dracul toata esenta jocului atunci? Cand te duci in BG nu o sa stai sa te uiti, vai asta e human, e preferatul meu, il iubesc, nu il omor. Daca voi aveti chef sa stati 1 luna sa faceti full ruthless ca un Queue dureaza mai mult decat tot BG-ul, nu am nici o problema. Plus ca voiam de mult timp sa omor toti "valorosii" de la alianta Vad ca apasatorii de 5 butoane intr-o anumita ordine aka PvE heroes nu au nimic impotriva raidurilor cross-faction.

Daca eu vreau lore sa ma duc pe blizz, la fel si tu daca vrei bg-uri cross faction te poti duce pealt server.
1 luna sa faci ruthless? la fel de bine poti face tol barad pentru honor, bg-uri asa cum sunt, sau dungeonuri si iei cu justice honor, de unde 1 luna?
Si cel care a zis ca in PvE apesi 5 butoane sigur nu a facut PvE cum trebuie, PvE nu inseamna doar dungeonuri si nu toate clasele sunt dependente de 5 butonae ca si in PvP conteaza situatia,ca dk blood spre exemplu nu apas, death strike, AMS, Icebount fortitude, Vampiric blood si rune tap si a picat bossu (5 butoane cum am zis).Normal ca pe noi nu ne deranjeaza prea mult raiduri cross faction, cei ce fac PvE cum trebuie au ghilda au global, nu au nevoie de cross faction si in plus, asa cum Hoarda si Alianta s-au unit sa-l infranga pe Lich King, la fel o poate face si pentru Deathwing, lucrul asta chiar poate face parte din lore, doar ca nu a fost implementat.

Cum se zice : Start killing your own friends and the war turns intro murder. Scuza-ne ca noi, "apasatorii de 5 butoane" mai jucam jocuri si pentru story nu doar pentru grafica si addoane.



Samantar amarat si onest.Uneori comerciant de dude sau speculant de iluzii.

[Rainek]

btoni223 wrote:

Vad ca apasatorii de 5 butoane intr-o anumita ordine aka PvE heroes nu au nimic impotriva raidurilor cross-faction.

I rofled hard. And you're playing pro pvp re-three-button pala ?

Starting with simple topic 'do we want cross-faction battlegrounds', there always have to be offtopping retard throwing insults just becouse he cannot find a way to first boss in baradin hold

[Berna]

Zohlomg wrote:

Rainek wrote: Instead of making partial solutions, maybe let's think about merging genesis and exodus ? This is also something we are taking very seriously into consideration. We've been talking on-and-on about this in the past weeks. There are SHITLOADS of advantages and SHITLODS of downsides. We've gotta figure out which SHITLOAD is bigger.

i'm happy that you just took it into consideration.

[Twobit]

Cross-fiction zici ? Nu, dungeon finder e de ajuns, deja am vazut ca e si pentru raid finder, daca vrei sa fie ceva frumos, sa faci sa intre de pe ambele realmuri in acelasi bg.

[dceltare]

Greu de decis daca esti fanatic PVP / BGs. Nu vrei sa astepti prea mult in queue, dar nici nu vrei sa fi in grup cu cealalta factiune, Alliance vs Horde e in bg, nu ? Sincer, e o idee buna pe o parte, si naspa pe alta. Eu votez pro.