[FIXED] [Mage][All Specs][Passive] Nether Attunement

[odes]

WoW Freakz spell link: Nether Attunement

Bug description: This passive converts haste rating from gear + haste rating procs from trinkets correctly, but if the mage gains a % haste buff like time warp it does not increase mana regen even though it should because Frost Armor/Time Warp/Elemental Oath/Mind Quickening/Moonkin Aura grant true spell haste not casting speed.

Proof: Mana regen without time warp:

Spoiler:

Mana regen with time warp:

Spoiler:

Proof that heroism and all spell haste % auras should provide TRUE HASTE not spellcasting speed as it is now on freakz:

Spoiler:

(link)

Quote:

Mage: Time Warp now increases spell haste rather than spell casting speed. Shaman: Heroism Increases melee, ranged, and spell casting speed haste by 30% for all party and raid members. ---- Just wondering with these changes if these spells are going to be reinstated in arena. Does anyone know for sure? My God's comp needs a buff.

Spoiler:

In this topic some guy asked if something changed to time warp because blizzard updated the tooltip to state that it increases melee, ranged, spell HASTE not speed like it used to indicate before cata.(link)

Quote:

Haste improves casting speed, but some effects also scale specifically from haste (like Frost Bomb's cooldown and countdown, or Nether Attunement). A cast-speed-only buff would improve casting times but NOT such effects. I don't know of any Mage examples offhand, but Sanctity of Battle for Paladins is based on melee haste, but doesn't count the 10% attack speed buff because that only gives melee attack speed, not "true" haste. In this case, it's apparently just a tooltip clarification, but in some other cases the distinction has been important.

[Shodan]

That's because every haste aura on freakz gives you spell casting speed or melee/range attack speed instead of "true" haste so yeah . In tootlip it says it increases your haste and visually it does (caracter sheet) but in reality ... That's not the case with hunters tho and i can't speak about other classes but clearly for mages .....

Let''s see how fast can you destroy your mana in Burst .

Arcane : https://youtube.com/watch?v=l4CiODxNl9I:


Frost : https://youtube.com/watch?v=AqMdF3TyRek:



Mana Gem / Rune / Innvocation was used . Yep Time Warp is still up on him (you can see the effect)



Discord (Remix) - Eurobeat Brony

[odes]

Frost goes to 0 mana with invocation in roughly 20 seconds during time warp, from full mana to nothing. This is....absolutely.....what im trying to say is you'll never find this in any retail vids.

Why?

Because Time warp and other spell haste auras like frost armor and shadowpriest/moonkin/ele shaman should provide TRUE spell haste not casting speed, therefore they contributed to mana regeneration through nether attunement on retail.

With arcane, i can control my mana fine with rune of power up untill heroism is popped. My mana gem restore does not get increased by nether attunement from time warp/other haste auras and even if i were to play with incanter's ward instead of rune of power, my burn phase would be ridiculously short because of broken regen.

[Scott]

The proofs are not solid, show a video where the mana regen is increased from those buffs.

[odes]

Scott wrote:

The proofs are not solid, show a video where the mana is increased from those buffs.

Why dont you show me a vid of a mage on retail going from full mana to no mana in 20 seconds during time warp (which lasts 40)?

[beasthuntres]

Im sorry but I was pulling 120k dps (as frost mage) at single target no damage increase bosses with just 493 ilvl
~
I cant complain about mana regen on mage after the fix.. I mean its working fine for me I cant go oom.. Not possible.. I've done 10n and 25n terrace raids today didnt have any problems as frost O.O
Its possible that you are doing something wrong

[odes]

beasthuntres wrote:

Im sorry but I was pulling 120k dps (as frost mage) at single target no damage increase bosses with just 493 ilvl ~ I cant complain about mana regen on mage after the fix.. I mean its working fine for me I cant go oom.. Not possible.. I've done 10n and 25n terrace raids today didnt have any problems as frost O.O Its possible that you are doing something wrong

Ok, your mage name, and what 90 talent were you using?

Edit: Since you are not responding anymore ill just assume you are trolling and you are just trying to fill this bug report with bullshit so it gets ignore

[Scott]

odes wrote:

Scott wrote: The proofs are not solid, show a video where the mana is increased from those buffs. Why dont you show me a vid of a mage on retail going from full mana to no mana in 20 seconds during time warp (which lasts 40)?

Or maybe you don't know how to play your class?

[bunk]

No problem on my frost 482 mage. Using https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=1463&&name=incanter-s-ward.


“Everything has been figured out, except how to live”

[odes]

Ok take a look at this video: @Shocker

Spoiler:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=G0AgoudgyRE:

He is using incanter's ward, at 6:45 they cast Heroism, compare his mana regen before and during heroism, if you tell me you see no difference then you are trolling 100%.

Posturi unite automat, 19-07-2015, 19:29:34

Also.(link)

Quote:

Mage: Time Warp now increases spell haste rather than spell casting speed. Shaman: Heroism Increases melee, ranged, and spell casting speed haste by 30% for all party and raid members. ---- Just wondering with these changes if these spells are going to be reinstated in arena. Does anyone know for sure? My God's comp needs a buff.

Yeah, i dont know how to play my class.

RO: Sa nu va mai prind ca veniti sa ziceti ca heroism si aurele de spell haste trebuie sa dea doar casting speed, v-am pus proof incontestabil, nush ce va mai trebuie daca nici asta nu va convinge.

[Orga]

Why would you request warns , you ruined echo post and no one even bothered to report you...also werent you playing arcane

On : Frost mages in a 25n had no problem , but an arcane mage had alot of problems , maybe he was spamming too many spells

[odes]

Orga wrote:

Why would you request warns , you ruined echo post and no one even bothered to report you... On : Frost mages in a 25n had no problem , but an arcane mage had alot of problems , maybe he was spamming too many spells

I have brought irrefutable proof that time warp and spell haste auras like frost armor and hybrid classes 5% spell haste should provide SPELL HASTE not spell casting speed, which in turn should provide mages and destro warlocks mana regen from nether attunement and chaotic energy.

What have you done?

[Orga]

odes wrote:

Orga wrote: Why would you request warns , you ruined echo post and no one even bothered to report you... On : Frost mages in a 25n had no problem , but an arcane mage had alot of problems , maybe he was spamming too many spells I have brought irrefutable proof that time warp and spell haste auras like frost armor and hybrid classes 5% spell haste should provide SPELL HASTE not spell casting speed, which in turn should provide mages and destro warlocks mana regen from nether attunement and chaotic energy. What have you done?

I gave my point of view regarding the raid we had today and the performance of my guildmates

What have you done except asking for proof from skull and then ignoring it

[mishu.cgm]

This should be moved to confirmed just by reading tool-tips really, it's as simple as that.
So:
1. https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=117957&&name=nether-attunement spell haste should increase mana regen + the amount of mana gained from mage spells (see evocation)
2. https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=7302&&name=frost-armor a 7% direct increase in spell haste has no effect on mana regen whatsoever

This is a bug report thread, replies about guildmates performance, if they did or did not go oom, are useless, (depends on play-style, talent, gear, encounter etc.)

[Orga]

mishu.cgm wrote:

This should be moved to confirmed just by reading tool-tips really, it's as simple as that. So: 1. https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=117957&&name=nether-attunement spell haste should increase mana regen + the amount of mana gained from mage spells (see evocation) 2. https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=7302&&name=frost-armor a 7% direct increase in spell haste has no effect on mana regen whatsoever This is a bug report thread, replies about guildmates performance, if they did or did not go oom, are useless, (depends on play-style, talent, gear, encounter etc.)

Just wanted to give him back the coin , take a look at the echo of the elements topic.

Also i did not lie about what i said none of the frost mages actually oomed or got nearly oom , only the arcane one.