[REJECTED] [Druid][Feral]how did u fix Weapon Damage?

[jiubi]

WoW Freakz spell link:

Bug description:
for link:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9882179391
u missed the edit"
Edit: actually this may not be quite right, because if you got the weaponDamage figure from UnitDamage, then it already includes other multipliers (like savage roar) while the 390 doesn't. In this case you need to make sure to also scale the 390 by select(7,UnitDamage("player")). If you got weaponDamage from the other method (equipped DPS + AP/14), then you'll want to scale the whole thing by select(7,UnitDamage("player")).

if i don't see any video or any formula and just check the tooltip it says:
mangle the target for 525% normal damage.
now what is the normal damage?
if i check my char sheet i see damage: 13330-17182 without any savage roar or Dream of cenarius or anything else
if i take 13330 as a min i can see that mangle shouldn't do less than 13330*5=66650
if i take 17182 as a max 17182*5= 85910
now what i see? on a training dummy(not raid just level 85 one) my min mangle is 28921 my max is 40170 and avg is 34384
and for raid training dummy min 28087 max 38085 avg 32168
the max in crit is when dancing steel(weapon enchant) and [Bottle of Infinite Stars] pop up together and the different agility with my normal will be about 5600
lol! [Ravage] doing 53k normal hit on training dummy! gg
don't you think the damages are faaaaaaar different from tooltip?
maaaaaybe just maybe your formula is wrong?
maybe all npc and targets dont have a boss armor?

if im wrong dont close this post lets discus and dont ruin a dps class like this.

Proof:
http://i.imgur.com/j33mwtM.jpg normal dummy
http://i.imgur.com/v8NuxBV.jpg raid dummy

[beasthuntres]

Its not just feral spec that got destroyed with this fix. it was also guardian. All melee spells from cat/bear form are doing way too low damage.

[Nrev]

https://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-Druid-Feral-Weapon-Damage-t381870.html

[Flashmoo]

beasthuntres wrote:

way too low damage.

Well as I can see in those SS from the first post... u are doing the same dmg as a retribution paladin. Yup, I think it's ok.


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[meowmix]

Yep, I hit harder with my autos in bear form than mangle ggwp freakz

[Erudax]

http://i.imgur.com/viQHBcq.jpg
30k AP, 50k crit, 40k DPS. I know bears are all supposed to tank and not DPS, but that is just horrible. I've went an all-out crit build, prioritizing Agility over Stamina for better mitigation and threat generation, at the moment bear is a total joke when it comes down to DPS'ing. I mean hell, I doubt I can kill an Elegon Spark or a Tsulong Fright Spawn.
Look at that Thrash damage tho

[meowmix]

Erudax wrote:

http://i.imgur.com/viQHBcq.jpg 30k AP, 50k crit, 40k DPS. I know bears are all supposed to tank and not DPS, but that is just horrible. I've went an all-out crit build, prioritizing Agility over Stamina for better mitigation and threat generation, at the moment bear is a total joke when it comes down to DPS'ing. I mean hell, I doubt I can kill an Elegon Spark or a Tsulong Fright Spawn. Look at that Thrash damage tho

its even funnier cus you had more than 30k ap since you had all of your ap on top of that vengeance

[Nytrox]

Feral damage is based on bleeds,not on direct damage.
As I mentioned before,you can see in the video that the formula used currently on freakz is good: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VUoYcUf2DjM:


MIN damage=((27797/3.3+62576/14)*9.5+77*9.5)*1.4(savage roar)*1.25(dream of cenarius)-((27797/3.3+62576/14)*9.5+77*9.5)*1.3*1.25*34.93/100(boss armor)=140,308*2.03=284,826
This is how we calculate the minimum damage here.
The feral from the video had 295813 damage and this is somewhere between the minimum and the maximum damage using that formula^.
By that edit he meant that you should not take exactly the damage from char sheet/2 because it's updating automatically,so if you have savage roar the x% weapon damage will be already increased by it in the char sheet but the y damage not(anyway,we're not doing that).

[Erudax]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=op1GJ_3wktk:


37k Non-crit Mangle, 96k Crit. If you wanted to exterminate all gladiateur ferals then do so, I couldn't care less. But don't touch Guardian. It's a whole new story here.
Take a look here:
http://i.imgur.com/YO8n3F2.jpg
For a point of reference, the weapon Preach was using was http://www.wowhead.com/item=95803/shan-dun-breaker-of-hope while I was using 2/2 http://www.wowhead.com/item=87156/gao-rei-staff-of-the-legendary-protector with 500 Agil gem ( http://i.imgur.com/PsF3XZY.jpg proof). The damage difference is INSANE. Gut all ferals, I don't give a shit, but don't touch Guardians.

[meowmix]

http://www.fluiddruid.net/feral-druid-5-0mists-of-pandaria-guide/
Scroll down to damage breakdown this guy is saying direct damage for him is the same as bleeds + shred is a greater percentage of his damage than rip(which is broken on freakz anyway).(no damage increase for ferals in patch 5.3 - 5.4 besides savage roar whic is just overall)
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3053756585
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_power_coefficient
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Weapon_damage
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&&topic=104959/question-weapon-damage
My stats: http://imgur.com/MUaXqAa
What i should be getting: http://imgur.com/CHSliFS
And this is the result i should be getting on average on my bear mangle without a crit since mangle does 280% weapon damage my formula was(as seen in the picture) 2.8(280%) x [7193(weapon dps) x 3.3(normalised weapon speed) + 26689/14(bonus from atk power)] which gave me =71801
The mistake you made in your formula is that you divided by weapon speed instead of multiplying (which is why slower weapons hit harder on special attacks)
What you get on freakz : http://i.imgur.com/7r5jDDi.jpg
Because apparently having slower weapons is a detriment on freakz.
+ as for ravage:
http://imgur.com/lgqyGRv
What i should be getting:
http://imgur.com/yz2VvVI
And what im getting on freakz:
http://imgur.com/6T96wx6
casuta: Nytrox

[Orga]

Huh why is this tagged fixed and in pending dafuq ??

[meowmix]

Orga wrote:

Huh why is this tagged fixed and in pending dafuq ??

Because the guy who made the post just copy-pasted the title from "fixed"

[jiubi]

ilvl vs dps
check this
http://fluiddruid.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&&t=4509

right now i have even problem to kill a rare npc in global how should i dps in raids? i must put aside me feral?

[meowmix]

Se uita cineva la post parca cel facut de nytrox era fix asap.

[Nytrox]

Pufarinaa wrote:

Nytrox used the right formula because you need the weapon DPS, not the weapon DAMAGE, because in cat form or bear form, the damage is normalized, this means that in cat form you attack with your paws once every 1 second and in bear form you attack with your paws once every 2.5 seconds. So if the weapon has 3.3 attack speed, you need to normalize that attack speed to cat or bear form. For example let's take the minimum weapon damage formula he used: "MIN damage=(27797/3.3+62576/14)" : - in cat form the formula is MIN damage=(27797/3.3+62576/14)*1, where 27797 is the weapon's minimum damage, 3.3 is the weapon's attack speed, 62576 is his attack power in cat form and 1 is the default paw attack speed in cat form. - in bear form the formula is MIN damage=(27797/3.3+62576/14)*2.5, where 27797 is the weapon's minimum damage, 3.3 is the weapon's attack speed, 62576 is his attack power in bear form and 2.5 is the default paw attack speed in bear form. Do you understand now why he divided by the weapon's attack speed? Because in cat form and bear form the weapon damage is normalized. He did not put "*1" because something*1=something, right?

Pufarinaa explained it better than me,so for feral the fix remains how it's now,but for guardians,it will be reverted because the 2.5 is the swing speed that the attack has to be normalized.