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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 12:58:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51963&&name=gargoyle-strike
Bug description:
Coeficientul de ap e prea mare. Nu a fost schimbat in perdioada wotlk-cata-mop .
Din postul lui dread:
623- average damage gargoyle
39103 - attack power (Horn of winter buffed)
26.74% - mastery
Formula gargoyle strike : (623+ AP* 0.4 ) * 1.mastery = average gargoyle strike
La (623+ 39103 AP * 0.8) *1.2674 = 41675 average hit , my stats . (Formula lui sereth) - deci nu da atat damage.
Cum merge acum :
(623+39103*0.578)*1.2674= 29434 (formula actuala a lui dread) , aparent asta e damage-ul pe care il si dau. Deci asta e formula live pe freakz.
Cat ar trebui sa dau:
(623+39103 * 0.4) * 1.2674 = 20613
Rog pe cineva sa verifice iar calculele , nu sunt 100% sigur ca le-am facut corect , diferentele de damage se observa totusi.
Proof:
Stats si damage gargoyle (video) (calitatea e destul de proasta , dar se poate observa ap si mastery + damage gargoyle)
Changelog http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Summon_Gargoyle . Nu spune nimic despre schimbari @ap .
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_power_coefficient
Ability: [Gargoyle Strike] (Summon Gargoyle) Coefficient: 40% Patch Last tested: 3.1.0

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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 13:07:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

https://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-Death-Knight-Unholy-Pets-Gargoyle-Strike-t349488.html


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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 13:11:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

De acolo am si luat formulele. Dar nu gasesc vreo schimbare legata de coeficientul de ap la gargoyle.
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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 13:20:05 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Dreadblade isi cam face singur spelurile cum vrea, vad.

Current status of gargoyle:
-scales with all physical haste benefits at the same rate as the player
-attack power coefficient is 0.4
-base damage per strike is 120
-does not inherit any crit from the player
-does not inherit any +damage % modifiers from the player
-player stats are taken as a snapshot when the gargoyle is launched; that is, when you cast this spell, however much attack power and haste is the amount your gargoyle strikes will be basing themselves off of.

Nu ar trebui sa tina cont de mastery, si vad ca am gresit eu, coeficientul de ap e 0.4. Ma uitam la un clip dea lu' ayra, in tyranical gear gargoyl-ul lui dadea 14k. Am pus poza cum dreadblade a dat aici pe server 62k cu gargoyl. Nu e destul?

La fel si nytrox. Vine pentru copacii la druid cu o formual de level 6, de pe 6.0. De ce nu puneti si la rip formual de 6.0? Sa iau si eu 60% ap la rip, nu doar 30%.



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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 13:28:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

^Posteaza strict de dk , nu de feral si topicul nu e facut pentru incriminarea lui Dreadblade, din contra , eu il respect pentru munca depusa, la fel ar trebui sa faci si tu si sa incetezi cu hate-ul asta pueril.
Sunt sanse foarte mari ca eu sa fiu cel ce greseste , asa ca pana nu se trage o concluzie @blue , nu trage nici tu.
Pune te rog video-ul cu tyranical gear sau daca gasesti in malevolent ar fi si mai bine.

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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 13:35:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

darkworld81 wrote:

Pune te rog video-ul cu tyranical gear sau daca gasesti in malevolent ar fi si mai bine.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=vHl-GfAswKc:


La 15:50, dupa ce priestul trece peste cimitir si ramane singur cu gargoyl-ul, se vede clar dmg-ul dat de gargoyl. Si daca va uitati si cand il scoatae. O sa observati procuri de fallen crusader, iar procul de trinket nu stiu sigur daca a fost aplicat.



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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 14:10:55 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Dk-ul ala are 45608 + 4560,8 de la Horn of Winter
50168,8 Ap + procul de la fallen crusader (7525,32)
= 57694,12 ap + 623
Formula fara mastery:
58317,12 * 0.4 = 23326,848 la care aplici ce buffs mai avea priestul , resilience la patch-ul ala si vezi daca iti da. Nu ma pricep prea mult la fazele cu resilul pe patch-uri.
Daca ar fi dupa formula noastra
57694,12 * 0.527= 27242,80124
27242,80124 + 623 = 27865,80124
27865,80124 * 1,27 = 35389,56 - am pus mastery 27% , nu stiu cat are , am pus orientativ.
Mai ajuta-ma si tu cu restul -

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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 14:34:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

@sereth, gargoyle TREBUIE sa isi ia increse din mastery, acum nu mai da nature damage, da Plague damage(nature + shadow), NU trebuie sa ia snapshot la stats, trebuie sa se scaleze dinamic cu attack powerul masterului, trebuie sa beneficieze de crit si haste. also, moare prea repde, cred ca nu are base resil(nu stiu sigur). Ayra, in video ala, da 14k cu gargoyle fara procs, ca se scaleaza dinamic si are gear grevious, daca nu ma insel. ar trebui recaluclat oricum

Posturi unite automat, 24-09-2015, 15:30:08

Proof pt mastery scaling 5.2.0 patchnotes:
Unholy
Reaping now also applies to Icy Touch.
Summon Gargoyle no longer costs Runic Power.
Gargoyle Strike now also deals Shadow damage, in addition to Nature damage.
Ebon Plaguebringer now causes Plague Strike to inflict Frost Fever, in addition to its other effects.
Scourge Strike now deals 3.8% more damage.

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Posturi unite automat, 24-09-2015, 15:34:35

Sereth wrote:

Current status of gargoyle:
-scales with all physical haste benefits at the same rate as the player
-attack power coefficient is 0.4
-base damage per strike is 120
-does not inherit any crit from the player
-does not inherit any +damage % modifiers from the player
-player stats are taken as a snapshot when the gargoyle is launched; that is, when you cast this spell, however much attack power and haste is the amount your gargoyle strikes will be basing themselves off of.

also, ce ai zis tu aici e dupa 3.1.2
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=49206 (wowhead link)



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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 15:13:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Formula cu 40% AP e din Wrath of the Lich King... In Cataclysm a fost 45% AP. Nu a fost nici o documentatie in patch notes despre schimbarea din Cataclysm, insa ea a putut fi extrasa din Simulationcraft. Nu am putut sa facem acelasi lucru si pentru MoP pentru ca Simulationcraft arata un coeficient de 82,6 SPELL Power, asa cum arata si la noi pe site, ceea ce nu are sens din moment ce DK-ul nu are spell power. In plus, nici schimbarea din WoD nu a fost documentata, dar gargoyle-ul a fost schimbat in asa fel incat dureaza 40 de secunde dar damage-ul lui per strike a fost micsorat. Deci daca o schimbare nu apare in Patch Notes nu inseamna ca ea nu exista.

@ Sereth, Gargoyle beneficiaza de mastery... Mai exact ce face Mastery? Creste absolut orice shadow damage al DK-ului. In Cataclysm afecta pana si tentaculele de la Gur'thalak. In MoP afecteaza pana si Raciala de Undead. Deci logic ca o sa afecteze si gargoyle care da Plague damage (adica Nature+Shadow).

Din nou a trebuit sa refac DK-ul pe GM char... deja stim attack power dar aveam nevoie de mastery si pvp power:
http://i.imgur.com/N8lpQHp.jpg
Nu am mai stat sa pun gems / enchants, DAR am facut reforges, pentru mastery. Anyway:
50168 AP (conform video-ului)
46% mastery
50,29% pvp power.

Un lucru de mentionat inainte: Pe retail toti temporary pets / guardians nu mai faceau snapshot la stats ci se updatau dinamic in functie de procs / buffs etc. Pe Freakz mecanica nu e implementata inca. Nu stau sa intru in discutii pe tema asta, o sa trebuiasca sa facem un bug report separat. Prin urmare, ma voi folosi de momentul 15:59 din video unde a dat 14,491 cu gargoyle neavand nici un proc.

50168 * 0.578 = 28997

28997 * 1.46 * 1.5029 = 63262

Fiind patch 5.4 early grievous season, 77% resilience.

63262 * 0.23 = 14550

Prin urmare: formula e corecta. Ce nu merge bine insa e stat dynamic scaling @ temporary pets. Si nu are legatura doar cu gargoyle, ci cu toti temporary pets / guardians din MoP.

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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 15:45:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Gargoyle strike nu ar trebuie sa fie nature damage ? Thinking Just askin' nu dati cu parul...


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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 15:51:04 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Mie imi e destul de clar. Am recalculat , dupa stats-urile puse de tine, acelasi rezultat.
Cu coeficientul de 0.4 ar fi dat 10127 damage. In 5.2 a fost facut plague damage. A scris mai sus Amnezx.

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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 17:17:19 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Dreadblade wrote:
Formula cu 40% AP e din Wrath of the Lich King... In Cataclysm a fost 45% AP. Nu a fost nici o documentatie in patch notes despre schimbarea din Cataclysm, insa ea a putut fi extrasa din Simulationcraft. Nu am putut sa facem acelasi lucru si pentru MoP pentru ca Simulationcraft arata un coeficient de 82,6 SPELL Power, asa cum arata si la noi pe site, ceea ce nu are sens din moment ce DK-ul nu are spell power. In plus, nici schimbarea din WoD nu a fost documentata, dar gargoyle-ul a fost schimbat in asa fel incat dureaza 40 de secunde dar damage-ul lui per strike a fost micsorat. Deci daca o schimbare nu apare in Patch Notes nu inseamna ca ea nu exista.

@ Sereth, Gargoyle beneficiaza de mastery... Mai exact ce face Mastery? Creste absolut orice shadow damage al DK-ului. In Cataclysm afecta pana si tentaculele de la Gur'thalak. In MoP afecteaza pana si Raciala de Undead. Deci logic ca o sa afecteze si gargoyle care da Plague damage (adica Nature+Shadow).

Din nou a trebuit sa refac DK-ul pe GM char... deja stim attack power dar aveam nevoie de mastery si pvp power:
http://i.imgur.com/N8lpQHp.jpg
Nu am mai stat sa pun gems / enchants, DAR am facut reforges, pentru mastery. Anyway:
50168 AP (conform video-ului)
46% mastery
50,29% pvp power.

Un lucru de mentionat inainte: Pe retail toti temporary pets / guardians nu mai faceau snapshot la stats ci se updatau dinamic in functie de procs / buffs etc. Pe Freakz mecanica nu e implementata inca. Nu stau sa intru in discutii pe tema asta, o sa trebuiasca sa facem un bug report separat. Prin urmare, ma voi folosi de momentul 15:59 din video unde a dat 14,491 cu gargoyle neavand nici un proc.

50168 * 0.578 = 28997

28997 * 1.46 * 1.5029 = 63262

Fiind patch 5.4 early grievous season, 77% resilience.

63262 * 0.23 = 14550

Prin urmare: formula e corecta. Ce nu merge bine insa e stat dynamic scaling @ temporary pets. Si nu are legatura doar cu gargoyle, ci cu toti temporary pets / guardians din MoP.


Cum explici asta ? http://imgur.com/iN8Silk ... niciodata in viata blizzului nu existau asa diferente ... ori gargoyle da prea mult ori celelalte abilitati dau prea putin ... desi ma indoiesc



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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 17:24:19 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Daca DK-ul cu care ai dat duel a prins toate proc-urile inainte sa scoata Gargoyle-ul, atunci Gargoyle-ul a facut snapshot la stats-urile lui pe toata durata. In functie de gear-ul lui, asta poate insemna ca Gargoyle-ul a dat damage ca si cand el ar fi avut 65k attack power tot timpul (eu ating si 71k attack power). Plus ca noi avem 68% resil, nu 77% ca in video.
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Post Posted: 24-09-2015, 21:57:27 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Eu m-am lamurit cu dreadblade. Cat a fost toata treaba cu necrotic spam in simulacrum, vedeai de la el 500k aborb. Daca te uiti la el la bug reports, vezi postate doar bugurile negative ale dk-ului, si bugurile pozitive ale altor clase. Asta inseamna sa fii gm pe freakz. Iti faci clasa cum vrei tu, si dai reject posturilor care sint anti clasa ta.

Am mai vazutsi la nytrox azi cu 'fix-ul' lui la copaci, cu formula de 6.0 pe care scrie 'level 6'. Da' ca el primde 180k chaos bolt cand ar trebyi sa dea maxim 100k, merge bine! Meh, lehamite. Avea petul de la warlock 700k hp, nu a facut post. A trebuit sa fac eu post.



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Dreadblade wrote:
plague damage (adica Nature+Shadow).

Plague != shadow. Iar daca e shadow + nature, nu ar trebui sa ia tot dmg-ul increase, pentru ca e considerat double dipping.
Oricum nu ma mai intereseaza. V-ati vazut cu rank si va faceti clasele op. Dreadblade n-am vazut in posturile tale sa raportezi nici in bug pozitiv. Nici macar exploitul de simulacrum de puneai 500k absorb, desi faceai asta prin arene.
Sunt satul pana peste cap de "dovezile tale" ca x speluri sunt cum vrei tu, ca prosti pe forumuri gasesti peste tot. Nu ai nici o dovada plauzibila la nimic, doar niste posturi de pe forumuri unde isi dau astia cu parerea. Iti aduc si eu 100 de posturi pe forumuri contra argumentelor tale de la necrotic strike si mastery la gargoyle, si dupa dai close ropic, ca se poarta.


Dreadblade wrote:
Fiind patch 5.4 early grievous season, 77% resilience.

Oh, si ca sa stii, pe grievous base rezil era 72%, 75% cu trinkete.
Prietene. Tu nu stii nici macar cat rezil a fost pe patch-urile astea. Vrei sa iti aduc "dovezi de pe forumuri" cum ai adus si tu, pentru mastery la gargoyle?

Dreadblade, adu-mi tu un pe youtube unde cineva da cu gargoyle-ul mai mult de 40k. Nu iti cer 62k, cat ai dat tu, pentru ca e imposibil.



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