[Rogue][All Specs][Talent] Marked for Death vs Combat

[gintokisans]

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=137619&&name=marked-for-death
Bug description: if you use Marked for Death you going to combat its bug.
Proof: -_-

[Vvtf]

gintokisans wrote:

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=137619&&name=marked-for-death Bug description: if you use Marked for Death you going to combat its bug. Proof: -_-

Confirmed
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KyJrG5GYm2I:

[Shocker]

Proof it shouldn't generate combat?

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Shocker wrote:

Proof it shouldn't generate combat?

0:23 or 0:53 ↓
https://youtube.com/watch?v=n_D3jxUdonk:

[Shocker]

Hm, 2 issues with that video:
1. It's from 5.2 PTR
2. Rogue is stealthed, I don't think combat can be generated with rogue in stealth, so video is not ok as proof

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[Ventress90]

From my knowledge https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=137619 should not put a rogue in combat, as it works almost the same way as https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=14183.

Marked of Death: adds 5 Combo Points to a target, and if the target dies within 1 minute of adding those CP, https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=137619 resets.
Premeditation: adds 2 Combo Points to a target. If those CP are not used, or the rogue does not add more, they disappear.
These two spells are incredibly similar, but Premeditation does not put the rogue in combat.

Please take this into consideration: why on earth should Marked for Death put a rogue in combat, when Premeditation does not do that? It basically is the same mechanic, if we ignore the cd reset part of MfD. The only difference is the number of Combo Points.

The only relevant information I could find was on wowhead, and I looked at the changelog, and nothing was changed apart from the tooltip text from what I can tell.
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=137619 (wowhead link)

But it does state that it does not break stealth and does not generate any threat. So from what I understand, it should never put the rogue into combat.

Marked for Death has great applications in both PvE and PvP as it could allow rogues to open up with a 5 CP https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=5171 or 5 CP https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=73651 on an elite mob, for example.
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ALSO: The same problem happens with https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=73981. I have tested it out, and when using Redirect on a new target, it puts me in combat and I get attacked. That should never happen.


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[africa]

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10494573770

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9947744898


Both links are from before 6.0.2 dropped. So apparently you could use without getting in combat and then it bugged or got changed. I couldn't find anything in patch notes, and normally they should reveal if they hot fixed anything. Could of been a temporary bug that got you in combat.

I also read in a guide that you could of MfD and then switch to Anticipation, can't find the guide again fml.

I'll search more evidence in the future.



Edit: they might have changed it in a quick hotfix or smth.
While it says MfD doesn't break stealth and doesn't cause threat, that doesn't mean it shouldn't get you in combat. Generating threat has nothing to do with when you start combat. Healing for example generates threat, yet before you pull you are not in combat, thus the boss doesn't aggro you.
Also, in the Premeditation spell description clearly states it doesn't put the caster in combat. It doesn't say the same in MfD.

While I believe it was a nice thing to start with 5 CP, it kinda defies the purpose of the talent. Blizz doesnt want you to MfDand then switch to Anticipation. You either play mFD or Anti, can't have both.

You can always MfD to enter combat and then pop SnD or Recup, the mob has time to travel to you.

[africa]

So I couldn't find any patch notes/builds where they said something like "fixed MfD, it should put you in combat".
I did found something regarding the spell itself. Besides the 5 CP, the spell also uses an aura, that has in it's details: Does not put caster in combat
WoWhead link (wowhead link)

So it seems that MfD uses an aura that doesn't engage combat.
We also have the PTR video where it doesn't pull the mob.

These are the only proofs I could find regarding it should NOT engage.

Common sense says it should, because it's a talent. Premeditation is Subtlety only, but MfD is for all 3. Imagine starting the encounter with 7 CP in Sub spec. Or even worse if you can MfD 1 minute before encounter. Have a 5 CP Slice and Dice and 7 CP from the newly refreshed MfD and Premed.

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Shocker wrote:

Proof it shouldn't generate combat?

blizz proof
https://youtube.com/watch?v=z19Mtg26sn8:

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[africa]

Vvtf wrote:

Shocker wrote: Proof it shouldn't generate combat? blizz proof https://youtube.com/watch?v=z19Mtg26sn8: .be

WoD proof. Won't fly here unfortunately.

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Shocker wrote:

Hm, 2 issues with that video: 1. It's from 5.2 PTR 2. Rogue is stealthed, I don't think combat can be generated with rogue in stealth, so video is not ok as proof

You can actually see he's having on button " = " this flymount http://www.wowhead.com/item=63125/reins-of-the-dark-phoenix and it's not on grey color, that mean's no combat.

[africa]

Considering this, you shouldn't be able to benefit from two talents at the same time. So either it should remove CP or force you in combat.

[aruforr]

Also if you MfD a Target while stealthed, the debuff on the the target just disappears so the cd wont reset if you kill it.