[REJECTED] [Death Knight][Frost] Frost Strike / Obliterate DW Crits

[Daraoss]

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Bug description: frost strike does not deal dammage with the off hand when the killing machine aswell as obliterate WHEN DUAL WIELDING (x2 1 hand weapons) it does deal dammage without the buff but with the buff killing machine it does not.
Proof: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RLwpOeETe0g:

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[Daraoss]

also i just realised threat-of-thassarian
is also bugged when killing machine is bugged i do 70~80k crit dammage without the buff and only 34k crit with killing machine .
really affecting dual wield dks wich is supposed to be strong

[Shodan]

It does .... Look in your combat log and you will see . As for the damage @ frost strike You probably had procs up or something .



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[Erudax]

There is absolutely no problem with Frost Strike and Threat of Thassarian. I had KM proccs and MSBT displayed them as 2HITS 2 CRITS. Both mainhand and offhand crit.
Proof:

However, if you get a normal critical strike, not one from KM, only your mainhand crits.
Proof:

KM procced shortly after, I still had the buff on me so it was no fluke. 2 HITS 1 CRIT

[Daraoss]

so it's just a combat log bug ?
because as you can see in the video (if u watched it) it does not display the dammage done by off hand wich leads me to thinking that it's not dealing dammage hower this should be looked into.
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Shodan wrote:

It does .... Look in your combat log and you will see . As for the damage @ frost strike You probably had procs up or something .

no i tried it again with no procs still deals more dammage without the proc

[neigao]

1st is when Killing Machine Procs if you use Obliterate or Frost Strike you only get the dmg shown on Combat Log but on Blizzard Floating Combat text it only shows the OH (Off hand) damage;

2nd is MSBT only shows the Combat log numbers/spells which is why it appears Crit with both hands but if you really pay attention to Floating Combat text you'll see only Oh dmg

[Dreadblade]

The only problem is that the main hand and off hand attacks for both Frost Strike and Obliterate can crit independently (excluding Killing Machine Procs). Also when both of them crit (such as through a KM proc) only the off-hand's damage will be displayed on screen.

[Shocker]

Proof mainhand attack and offhand attack should have shared critical strike? Meaning if main procs, offhand MUST proc too?

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[Iulyart]

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Obliterate deals physical damage. It is thus not affected by mastery, and is only affected by strength and weapon damage (which also affect frost strike). Therefore, it does not scale nearly as well as frost strike. It's interesting that people say they like 2h frost because 'big crits', because dw frost with frost strike crits a LOT higher (due to the skills scaling well with mastery). It just doesn't LOOK like you crit higher, because 2h frost shoots out say, a 100k obliterate, whereas dw frost has frost strike crit for 80k (mainhand) and 40k (offhand).

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DW is considerably harder to predict your next KM proc since your attack speed has increased and the fact that KM can proc from both Main+Off-hand, although it's still possible. I hope this answer is adequate for the question of the OP:

source: battle.net

For now i've found only some comments, nothing official.


edit 2: found something Source

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Yes. Both hands will crit. Also, if you main hand crits your OH will also crits, and if you MH doesnt crit your OH can still crit. Confirming this, at least as far as Killing Machine goes. If you frost strike with a KM proc, both weapons crit. As for non-KM crits, I'm not really sure since I don't pay much attention to it. Since I get a lot more double-crit Oblits than I really should be getting, I'd be willing to say that the above post is in fact, accurate.

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As for me, it seems that always if my MH crits, my OH also will. But if my MH hits, my OH can crit. If my MH gets dodged/parried, my OH also does. If my MH hits, my OH can get dodged/parried.

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[africa]

I found these:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0SzDMr8RV7E:



https://youtube.com/watch?v=4o960rlLN1U:




Thing is, I saw the FS 2 hits 1 crit... He does do some 2 hits 2 crits without killing machine proc.





Same for rogu: Poison, Mutilate and Melee.

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Stoke you are half right. That is the way it works, however each hit is individual to itself. so you get your MH FS and you get your OH FS (it's 65 percent of MH btw) They both have independent crit so you could get a double crit or an OH crit and not a MH crit. However strikes like KM and DC work only on the MH from what I have seen. So in essence, when you click OB/FS/BS, both hands strike at the same time, but have independent crit and hit tables so you could hit or crit with one and miss with the other.

Orc racial: 1% expertise for Axes. If you have an Axe MH and Mace OH, while at 7.5% expertise for MH, the OH will have 6.5%, thus a 1% chance of missing.
Gnone racial: 1% expertise for Daggers. If you have Dagger MH and Mace OH, your offhand will miss 1% of the attacks.
That means they are independent.

Tested Orc DK axe MH and mace OH. MH is at expertise cap.

[africa]

OH doesn't share MH crit. If one crits, it's not a must for the other to crit also.


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