[REJECTED] [Death Knight][Spells][Necrotic Strike]

[Daeron]

1 post to rule them all gj rip necro

[draener]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LUuLDFIh00

Rip

[Dreadblade]

Once again, I ask this question: How did Volkovitch do 80k absorb IN ONE STRIKE, knowing that he has:
102k Attack Power
61,27% PvP Power
And his target has 80% resilience.

Reaching 80k absorb in one strike, without PvP Power, would require 180k attack power. Which is impossible to obtain, even with full Prideful gear and while stacking strength gems.

And don't bring the argument that the addon is inaccurate (yes, I'm looking at you, Mr. Faith). The addon does nothing more than read the absorb amount from the target's debuff tooltip, and outputs it on a bar in your screen. Besides, why would every high rated DK use the addon if it wasn't accurate?

Everyone keeps bringing "proof" from forum posts or guides that have no relevance in this case. Anyone can say whatever they want on the internet, regardless of it being posted on official or non-official forums - I could go around saying that Mortal Strike should do 175% weapon damage instead of 215% just because it says that on wowhead (wowhead link), or simply because I have a problem with warriors.

With that being said, any forum post or guide that is not acknowledged or confirmed by devs (such as this post on AJ that demonstrates Necro scales with PvP Power which has been confirmed by Holinka on Twitter will not be accepted as proof. Correct mathemathical evidence is also accepted.

[SerethIsBack]

Funny thing, 6-7 moths ago Dreadblade closed 3 of my posts because i had only "videos and forum posts as proofs", but that's what he's giving us. nothing more than videos and forum links. His 1st "necro fix" was based on a forum link where some1 said " enter quiclky, necro is scaling with pvp power ". It could have been a bug or sth, cuz there ain't any fix to prove it.

[Twobit]

Dreadblade wrote:

Once again, I ask this question: How did Volkovitch do 80k absorb IN ONE STRIKE, knowing that he has: 102k Attack Power 61,27% PvP Power And his target has 80% resilience. Reaching 80k absorb in one strike, without PvP Power, would require 180k attack power. Which is impossible to obtain, even with full Prideful gear and while stacking strength gems. And don't bring the argument that the addon is inaccurate (yes, I'm looking at you, Mr. Faith). The addon does nothing more than read the absorb amount from the target's debuff tooltip, and outputs it on a bar in your screen. Besides, why would every high rated DK use the addon if it wasn't accurate? Everyone keeps bringing "proof" from forum posts or guides that have no relevance in this case. Anyone can say whatever they want on the internet, regardless of it being posted on official or non-official forums - I could go around saying that Mortal Strike should do 175% weapon damage instead of 215% just because it says that on wowhead (wowhead link), or simply because I have a problem with warriors. With that being said, any forum post or guide that is not acknowledged or confirmed by devs (such as this post on AJ that demonstrates Necro scales with PvP Power which has been confirmed by Holinka on Twitter will not be accepted as proof. Correct mathemathical evidence is also accepted.

Dreadblade, you think is normal to do 465k ABSORB ? You play dk on blizz on this patch or 5.0, 5.2, 5.4 ? Where the *** is normal to get to that much necro on player?!
For your class , you would do anything to not nerfing. But this necro is bugged. :/

[Dreadblade]

Your post is very helpful indeed.

[Twobit]

Dreadblade wrote:

Your post is very helpful indeed.

Yea, it's so helpful but is the true. You play just private servers, not retail. That's why there's no need to explain anything .

[ixaxa94]

i think Necrotic Strike is most bugged thing in this server ......

[alex000]

x-

[Hashtagblue]

We clearly can see that something is fishy when it comes about Necrotic Strike and Gargoyle, as a DK myself who've been playing in couple of other private servers I haven't seen yet such as unhealable absorb coming from Necrotic Strike alone and Gargoyle doing intense damage which exceeds the limit itself.

Dreadblade wrote:

It took 7 necros to reach that amount. In no realistic arena situation can you stack that much at once, only if you're standing in place with no defensives and your healer is AFK. The DK in your video has full tyrannical and does about 66k necro per strike, but he has 4 procs up (2 trinkets, weapon enchant, back enchant). Now let's take a look at Volkovitch @0:30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rEj267y8RM In just 2 necros he stacked 160k, 80k per strike, with just 2 trinket procs. In 7 strikes he would stack 560k, which is about as much HP as the druid has. Now you're gonna say it's Prideful gear, he has higher AP and PvP Power etc. - yes, but the resilience is also higher, and that makes a huge difference, even if it's just 5%. Edit: You want definitive proof that it works fine? I made this template character, full prideful gear (550 ilvl), full STR gems and enchants. IMG: http://i.imgur.com/FxGId50.jpg Having 2 trinket procs, like in the video, resulted in 102960 attack power. Now for some simple math. Necrotic Strike's formula is: AP * 2.25 * 1.pvppower% * resilience. So it would look like this: 102960 * 2.25 = 231660 Adding 61,27% PvP Power: 231660 * 1.6127 = 373598 Nerfed by 80% resilience: 373598 * 0.2 = 74719 - roughly 6k LESS than in the video, but I did not include the alchemy flask or whatever other buffs he had from his teammates.

How do you explain the situation at 5:05 of the video you linked (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rEj267y8RM) he did 61k Absorb with a single Necrotic Strike while having Fallen Crusader and Badge of Victory available (his trinket) between my DK having the same two proc available although having no proffesion nor any buff in my char and they are one patch ahead of us which is Prideful Season unlike us Grievous Season meaning He's in full Pride set and I'm in full Grievous set but my Necrotic is still absorbing more than him?
Evidence:
Full Grievous Set DK without Proffesions - Necrotic Strike Absorb > 61310 IMG: http://i.imgur.com/mpKVg2P.jpg
vs
Full Prideful Set DK with 2 Proffesions - Necrotic Absorb - 61000 > 5:05 of video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rEj267y8RM

Necrotic's absorb is completely broken would be good if Shockeru could give us access to other realm where we could test Necrotic's absorb along with Gargoyle's damage, we can see the balance of those two major spells there (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srHXyirrqec&feature=youtu.be&t=3m40s), keeping up an eye to Gargoyle's damage is way too small compared to the server where we play(doing 50k up to 60k), Gargoyle is just as worse as Necrotic Strike it has to get fixed asap.

[Dreadblade]

Look again. He didn't have fallen crusader buff @5:05. And if you're talking about @5:08 when he does get fallen crusader proc, how do you explain it's still 61k even though his AP increased? It's quite simple. Fallen crusader procced the moment he used Necrotic Strike, and all spells on blizz have a ~0.2 seconds delay thus it wasn't taken in consideration. Watch the video in 0.25 speed. Also you'll notice in the next moment his necro goes down to 34.7k, then he uses another, which DOES take fallen crusader into consideration since it stacks up to 104.9k. So it went up from 61.1k to 70.2k. The tests you did there are invalid. He hits 70.2k with prideful gear and 2 buffs, you hit 61.3k with grievous gear and the same 2 buffs.

You're also probably forgetting that in Prideful season they had 80% resil. That's why the difference between grievous and prideful absorbs don't seem that large. Do a simple calculation with the info I posted here. With 80% resil you'd absorb 74719. With 75% resil you'd absorb 93436. So that 5% makes a huge difference.

[Hashtagblue]

Dreadblade wrote:

Look again. He didn't have fallen crusader buff @5:05. And if you're talking about @5:08 when he does get fallen crusader proc, how do you explain it's still 61k even though his AP increased? It's quite simple. Fallen crusader procced the moment he used Necrotic Strike, and all spells on blizz have a ~0.2 seconds delay thus it wasn't taken in consideration. Watch the video in 0.25 speed. Also you'll notice in the next moment his necro goes down to 34.7k, then he uses another, which DOES take fallen crusader into consideration since it stacks up to 104.9k. So it went up from 61.1k to 70.2k. The tests you did there are invalid. He hits 70.2k with prideful gear and 2 buffs, you hit 61.3k with grievous gear and the same 2 buffs. You're also probably forgetting that in Prideful season they had 80% resil. That's why the difference between grievous and prideful absorbs don't seem that large. Do a simple calculation with the info I posted here. With 80% resil you'd absorb 74719. With 75% resil you'd absorb 93436. So that 5% makes a huge difference.

What is quite simple is that the existence of Necrotic's Absorb doing 61k with Fallen Crusader and Trinket at 5:08 and interesting how you can not see that clearly first of all he's getting Fallen Crusader procd after that he's landing an succesfull Necrotic Strike doing 61k absorb we all can see that and yes even at 0.25 of video speed, you're the only one who sees it different, and if we were about to take your words into ''consideration'' there would be still a huge gap between the Necros absorb from retail and the server where we play and that 5% you mentioned doesn't make a huge different to be honest, the number itself proves that is a low number in this case, we'd like to get access to the other realm and test it by ourself, if you're satisfied with the current situation of Necrotic Strike you simply can admit it there's no need to cause drama all around besides if you were all that fired up to report bugs or in other word to do your job exactly you wouldn't have dodge Blood Boil/Gargoyle's bug in the first place but instead you'd report them you knew them since the beggining and you kept them for your personal purposes until I noticed out the proper bugs about and reported them, without offense I don't like the current situation about those two major bugs as anyone can make DK and climb the top of ladder just by spamming Necrotic Strike like a chicken with its head off, having no clue what is going with their rune managment which is shameful for any DK.

[Dreadblade]

You deny my explanation yet you don't bother to provide another one that's actually correct. It is so obvious that mages can parry attacks and no way in the world did the rogue parry his pet's cleave ability, right?

At 5:05 he does 61k absorb with just the trinket up. At 5:08 he does 61k absorb again with both his trinket and fallen crusader. Then the next necrotic absorbs 70k. If you don't like my explanation then please find another one that's suitable.

[Hashtagblue]

Dreadblade wrote:

You deny my explanation yet you don't bother to provide another one that's actually correct. It is so obvious that mages can parry attacks and no way in the world did the rogue parry his pet's cleave ability, right? At 5:05 he does 61k absorb with just the trinket up. At 5:08 he does 61k absorb again with both his trinket and fallen crusader. Then the next necrotic absorbs 70k. If you don't like my explanation then please find another one that's suitable.

You're so addicted to Necrotic Strike to the point of exaggerating nonsense based nowhere called 'explanations' claimed only by you even though 99% of people don't agree with your falsified explanation.
What kind of explanation you're trying to show us, this kind of 80k absorb being normal with one single hit from Necrotic to you in the current season (Grievious)?
When was the last time when you played Official or any other MoP Private server? even Volko is doing barely that amount of that absorb even at Prideful Season.
Yet you're avoiding the earlier bugs I mentioned so perhaps your appearance can look ''better'' to other people.
Should we make a Poll about 'If he used Necrotic Strike after Fallen Crusader proc or not' you knowing this wouldn't this define the opposite and expose your false mask of trying to look better?
What do you even know about Death knight in the end? When were last time where you could steal an helpful spell from your opponents via Dark Simulacrum? or peel for your partner through Death Grip even supporting with Chains of Ice, or even refreshing your diseases by re-applying them and extending their duration through Festering Strike, or changing presences while in a match, or bursting when is needed and CC-ing?
You're the DK who sits at full HP with conversion and you have guts to spread nonsense as much you can about Necrotic Strike so you can keep climbing up to the top?
To be honest you're not the one who should be blamed, instead to blame is the person with higher authority who does allow such an bugged spell which is called 'destroyer of PvP balance'.

[Scott]

Dreadblade maybe you will confirm this bug that makes dk even more op?
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Multiple-Haste-Raiting-stacking-from-multiple-itemes-t413739.html