[REJECTED] [Shaman][All Specs] Ancestral Guidance healing more than 3 people

[Katherine]

WoW Freakz spell link: Ancestral Guidance [#108281] https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=108281&&name=ancestral-guidance
Bug description: Heals the entire raid not 3 targets.
Proof: A percentage of damage or healing dealt is copied as healing to up to 3 nearby injured party or raid members.

[odes]

2 years almost to report a very obvious and pretty gamebreaking healer bug...what can i say, better late than never.

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[Orga]

1 year and 4 days , it was reported once and fixed but got rollbacked or something , guess nobody bothered re-making a report.

[Erudax]

I'll leave the topic open for one day or less, just incase someone comes up with an counter-argument, even though it's obviously wrong.
Confirmed.

[magda]

Yes, ancestral guidance is working as ascendance (resto) should but sience ascendance cannot be used in 25 man raids resto shamans still have 1 cd. So if u think solving this "problem" please look at https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Shaman-Restoration-Spell-Ascendance-fps-problems-t364322.html too, it has almost 1 year

Quote:

Clarification on the mechanics for this talent. For each damage hit you inflict, Ancestral Guidance will heal 3 nearby players (including yourself) for 40% of the damage of that hit, each. In other words, assuming there are three targets to heal, the total healing is 120% of the damage inflicted. This will function for each hit of Chain Lightning (an excellent way to self heal while killing multiple mobs) and every hit of Earthquake.

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=108281 (wowhead link)
assuming this works the same for healing spells and knowing AG is a smart heal, healing the lowest player in raid for each hit, please tell me where is the bug?

here is some video proof that AG should proc multiple times on different ppl
https://youtube.com/watch?v=j9Aivp3PatQ:

[africa]

magda wrote:

Yes, ancestral guidance is working as ascendance (resto) should but sience ascendance cannot be used in 25 man raids resto shamans still have 1 cd. So if u think solving this "problem" please look at https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Shaman-Restoration-Spell-Ascendance-fps-problems-t364322.html too, it has almost 1 year Quote: Clarification on the mechanics for this talent. For each damage hit you inflict, Ancestral Guidance will heal 3 nearby players (including yourself) for 40% of the damage of that hit, each. In other words, assuming there are three targets to heal, the total healing is 120% of the damage inflicted. This will function for each hit of Chain Lightning (an excellent way to self heal while killing multiple mobs) and every hit of Earthquake. https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=108281 (wowhead link) assuming this works the same for healing spells and knowing AG is a smart heal, healing the lowest player in raid for each hit, please tell me where is the bug? here is some video proof that AG should proc multiple times on different ppl https://youtube.com/watch?v=j9Aivp3PatQ:

But he didn't say the bug is that it procs multiple time. He said the bug is that it's healing the entire raid and not 3 people.

Is the healing part of AG working correctly as stated in the tooltip?

[Erudax]

The healing part works completely fine. Also people stop bullshitting with "confirm"/replies such as that and actually fill in the gap at "Proof".
#edit
Moved back to PENDING, as someone will bring some very interesting information. The "instant raid refill" might be caused by the sheer amount of Fire Nova hits from Echo of the Elements.

[Katherine]

Dude but did you even tested it or you want to keep this spell buged?

[Erudax]

Let's see:
1. Flame Shock tick, no Ancestral Guidance "ticks".
2. Two Flametongue Weapon attacks (2 hits), 6 Ancestral Guidance "ticks".
3. Two Fire Nova hits, 6 Ancestral Guidance "ticks".
4. Melee hit, no Ancestral Guidance "ticks".
5. Windfury Weapon attacks (3 hits), 9 Ancestral Guidance "ticks".

1. Lightning Shield procc, 3 Ancestral Guidance "ticks".
2. 20 Fire Nova hits, 60 Ancestral Guidance "ticks".
Looks fine to me.

[Katherine]

And how many where in your party? What I said was that Guidance is healing all the ppl in the group,nothing about ticks ... idk why i'm loosing my time with this post.Keep the bug but I do not wanna hear you guys later about this bug.Idk what did you tested but Guidance is still healing all the ppls of the group.So if this seems fine to you that meens that you have no idea of what this have to do.

[norbert.pls]

To absolutely no extent this spell is bugged. First of all it does not have an ICD, whatever the hell you cast, be it either healing or dmg, it wil HEAL 3 memebers that have the lowest hp, because as magda mentioned, it is a SMART HEAL ============== meaning that it will heal all members 3 by 3 and not directly fill the HP of only 3 targets, then jump to the next 3. It spreads out evenly in the whole raid. I have erudax's floating combat text addon and I have gotten the same result, and it works absolutely fine.
What do you honestly expect it to do when you deal 1m dmg from one mastery/echo-accompanied chain lightning in aoe, lowkey try to heal the tank? Try spamming lava burst and see that the raid wont get healed up as easily compared to when you aoe (speaking of 25 man raids)

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[africa]

norbert.pls wrote:

To absolutely no extent this spell is bugged. First of all it does not have an ICD, whatever the hell you cast, be it either healing or dmg, it wil HEAL 3 memebers that have the lowest hp, because as magda mentioned, it is a SMART HEAL ============== meaning that it will heal all members 3 by 3 and not directly fill the HP of only 3 targets, then jump to the next 3. It spreads out evenly in the whole raid. I have erudax's floating combat text addon and I have gotten the same result, and it works absolutely fine. What do you honestly expect it to do when you deal 1m dmg from one mastery/echo-accompanied chain lightning in aoe, lowkey try to heal the tank? Try spamming lava burst and see that the raid wont get healed up as easily compared to when you aoe (speaking of 25 man raids)

True, but we gotta make sure it heals ONLY 3 targets at a time. If for example I do 1 M dmg (like one shot of it, not multiple spells) it means it will heal only 3 members based on that 1 M, even if it takes only half of that heal top them. It shouldn't heal 3 members for 40% of the heal and then move the 70% remaining to other targets. It should overheal.

2 flametongue hits = 20k so thats 10k per hit. It should do 40% of that per target, so thats 4k heal. 3 targets = 12k. 2 flametongue hits = 24k healing. Why did it do 37k?

[Katherine]

Milkmeplease try to spam Lava burst in a 25 man raid and you will see that Guidance is healing the entire raid in the same time,is not about smart heal or jumps or whatever.

[magda]

To all of you who say this spel is bugged, please come with some proof of how it should work or how it is bugged. Untill u find them, if u do, i post some arguments showing that this spell works fine
I'll talk about resto spec, this is the most usefull raid cd that shamans have if it used correctly
so, for every active cast heal(HS, GHW, RT, HR, etc), AG will heal 3 lowest health ppl:
if i cast healing surge AG heals 3 ppl http://imgur.com/gkGoCrS
if i cast chain heal, each jump of chain will heal 3 ppl, so i heal 15 ppl(max 15 ppl, it could be 5 if they are low hp) http://imgur.com/XRwkI2E
if i cast healing rain, each tick will heal another 3 ppl, so if there are 10ppl in hr AG will heal 30 (max 30, it could heal 5 low HP ppl) http://imgur.com/TiLftM3

so the numbers of players healed by AG is related to the spells shamans uses during AG and the number of players healed bt HR http://imgur.com/SKfeuae

more details u find here https://healiocentric.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/watertotemgate-5-4-and-the-resto-shaman-controversies/ a whole debait about ascendace and AG, and how interacts with healing rain in fights where the raid is stacked (megaera) and the conclusion is
Ascendance and Ancestral Guidance in 5.4
CD Ascendance Ancestral Guidance
Format 10 25 10 25
5.3 Rules 5.37M 5.88M 7.18M 7.93M
5.4 Rules 6.19M 6.19M 8.16M 8.16M
% Diff +15.2% +5.3% +13.6% +2.9%

if used with max potential, AG is better than ascendance, is the most powerfull cd shamans have
more details about other fight (tsulong, where AG iss best) and how it works with ascendance here: http://lifeingroup5.com/?p=3449
i can extract some here :
Not only do Ancestral Guidance and Restorative Mists duplicate the Shaman’s active-cast heals, Ancestral Guidance will proc off of EVERY Restorative Mists heal as well.
Ancestral Guidance will proc off of Restorative Mists’ healing on pets. So free Restorative Mists healing on pets becomes even more free healing on the raid via AG.
Ancestral Guidance’s healing is based on the amount that Restorative Mists actually heals for, including class-specific healing bonuses. And AG’s heal will double-dip into that bonus, increasing the heal a second time when the AG heal lands.

so please stop making posts if u dont know what u are saying

[africa]

Gah why in a raid? Why don't 5 people meet and just take some damage, get the elemental shaman to cast ONE spell only and see if all 5 get healed.
If everything goes ok then do an aoe spell, like Nova or Earthquake and the party should watch if they get healed for each tick.

magda wrote:

so please stop making posts if u dont know what u are saying

Thank you for explaining us what AG does... Nobody claimed it doesnt work like that.
People say that IF you use ONE direct damage spell (LvB, LB) IT WILL HEAL EVERYONE not just 3 targets. Why are you keep talking about how it should multiply and bla bla.

Again, if you use ONE spell that is direct damage (LvB, LB) it should heal 3 people. The bug report says it heals all the people. Can you please test that and see before you make us lose our mind?