[REJECTED] [Warlock][Demonology] Vision of Perfection vs Demonic Consumption talent

[BlackStarGames69]

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=296325&&name=vision-of-perfection
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=267215&&name=demonic-consumption
Character name: Kappawarlock
Bug description: The last row talent on Demo says : [Passive] Your Demonic Tyrant now destroys and absorbs the remaining power of all your Wild Imps to empower himself. The proc of Vision of Perfection major that summons the Demon Tyrant does not consume imps to empower itself. In the video below I show how it interacts when casting Tyrant and how it interacts with the vision of perfection proc. Keep in mind, the talent does not mention "When you cast".
Proof: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QWm632rWhkE:

[vuanhlam92]

it bug for affliction too, does memory of lucid dream minor work for demon spec?

[Mordocc]

the same to shaman with talents not work

[uffi]

It should not consume them.
Imagine you are building up imps in the opener for your main Tyrant and vision procs , consumes 10 imps for only 2-3 hits, instead of buffing your main 15sec Tyrant. It would screw you more often than help you.

https://imgur.com/a/kHQzLhM In the screenshot you can see exactly that. He has 11 imps active and his tyrant procs as he is casting main tyrant. Proc didn't consume any of the imps and all will go into main Tyrant.

Vision procs should however give you 3 shards if you are running Baleful Invocation trait, and it should give you intellect proc if you are running Supreme Commander.

(I don't think VoP tyrant proc should be buffed anyhow cus guides say it's pretty bad if it procs randomly. Basically it's only good if it procs during you main tyrant prep so you can empower it even further, hence the azerite traits stated above. Someone correct me if im wrong about empowerment part, but consume part is right for sure.)

Hope this helps.

[Zlu]

Everything Uffi said is correct.

[vuanhlam92]

i commfirm that, he should consume imps to empower itself

[Zlu]

vuanhlam92 wrote:

i commfirm that, he should consume imps to empower itself

That's incorrect. Your randomly proc'd Tyrant from VoP shouldn't benefit from Demonic Consumption.

[Anjele]

It's definitely not supposed to eat your imps even with DeCon talented in, for example take a look at this video https://youtube.com/watch?v=XhTr7xlmjHw&t=73:

and skip ahead to 1:13. You can clearly see Vision of Perfection activate during his tyrant window yet it doesn't consume the 6 imps he already had out at the time indicating that this is intended.

[vuanhlam92]

Anjele wrote:

It's definitely not supposed to eat your imps even with DeCon talented in, for example take a look at this video https://youtube.com/watch?v=XhTr7xlmjHw&t=73: and skip ahead to 1:13. You can clearly see Vision of Perfection activate during his tyrant window yet it doesn't consume the 6 imps he already had out at the time indicating that this is intended.

do u get any refund shard from memory of lucid dream minor? i hear blizzard explain that if i i use hand of guldan cost 3 shard, if it proc will refund 2 or 1 alternating

[Anjele]

I don't use Lucid Dreams so I have no clue how it's working on Freakz but it's supposed to alternate soul shard refunds between one/two shards every Hand of Gul'Dan

[Zlu]

vuanhlam92 wrote:

Anjele wrote: It's definitely not supposed to eat your imps even with DeCon talented in, for example take a look at this video https://youtube.com/watch?v=XhTr7xlmjHw&t=73: and skip ahead to 1:13. You can clearly see Vision of Perfection activate during his tyrant window yet it doesn't consume the 6 imps he already had out at the time indicating that this is intended. do u get any refund shard from memory of lucid dream minor? i hear blizzard explain that if i i use hand of guldan cost 3 shard, if it proc will refund 2 or 1 alternating

The minor of the essence itself only has a chance to proc and refund 50% of spent resource.

[vuanhlam92]

I check combat log, each time lucid healing mean it's trigger and 0 refund shard at that time, u can check my clip
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5XxAiFy-GV8:

[Zlu]

How I know that it works fine is because Soul Conduit will refund you all the shards that you've spent on casting a certain spell. Memory will refund a portion of shards (1-2). I find myself getting back 1 or 2 shards constantly after casting Hand of Gul'dan. That's minor Memory proc, not Soul Conduit.

[vuanhlam92]

Zlu wrote:

How I know that it works fine is because Soul Conduit will refund you all the shards that you've spent on casting a certain spell. Memory will refund a portion of shards (1-2). I find myself getting back 1 or 2 shards constantly after casting Hand of Gul'dan. That's minor Memory proc, not Soul Conduit.

Of course I never use soul conduit talent to test refund shard of memory of lucid dream, you will know how it works by combat log, healing effect + refund shard trigger at same time, you can see my full video test here, 6 times proc and 0 refund shard at all
1st: 0:56
2nd: 2:10
3rd: 2:49
4th: 3:02
5th: 3:13
6th: 3:34
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6p-30mmhMPc:

[Mighty]

@vuanhlam92
So what are you reporting here? You posted that yourself in another report : Battle for Azeroth Hotfix (2019-07-16): [Lucid Dreams] now refunds 50% less mana in PvP situations, now heals for 50% less in PvP situations when it refunds resources, and now provides 50% less Leech when activated in PvP situations. The Mana generation rate provided by activating [Memory of Lucid Dreams] is unchanged.
Here u go, pvp dummy https://imgur.com/a/ykYIj2k hand of guldan with 5 shards, 3 shards spent, 1.5 shards, then we apply pvp mode which is another 50% and u get 0.75 shards
pve dummy https://imgur.com/a/fBmG0Yh same, hand of guldan, 3 shards spend, 1.5 shards refunded and since no pvp mode is applied u get the full value.
You can even see it from the lucid dreams healing that the pvp mode does half the healing and the non-pvp mode does the full healing value.
Learn how to use the combat log to show ur refund, if it shows the healing that doesnt mean it gonna show the refunds aswell. Also bring some real proof when u report something so u can compare it to freakz.