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Post Posted: 20-02-2012, 16:58:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

se vede clar ca nu a dat 44k ci doar 25k , 18k au fost absorbite , blocate sau ce mai este
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1 la mana : nu stiu cine v-a invatat sa faceti scaderile alea . Se aduna dmg primit cu overkill-ul , deci crit-ul respectiv a fost de ~44k .
2 la mana : dmg - ul acesta este absurd in pvp . Ca idee generala un warrior >400ilvl + arma de 416 , in raid ( ceea ce presupune full buffs , flask , potiuni etc ) da crit cu slam de ~60-65k ( aici un exemplu care trece putin de limita http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/u479gsswwejnlj81/details/9/?s=7488&e=7776 ) .

aveti aici si un print cu dmg dat de slam la 15-16k ap ( selfbuffed ) pe dummy de lvl 85 ( 12k armor daca nu ma insel ) - se vede clar ce inseamna si overkill aici:

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Post Posted: 21-02-2012, 01:09:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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1 la mana : nu stiu cine v-a invatat sa faceti scaderile alea . Se aduna dmg primit cu overkill-ul , deci crit-ul respectiv a fost de ~44k .
2 la mana : dmg - ul acesta este absurd in pvp . Ca idee generala un warrior >400ilvl + arma de 416 , in raid ( ceea ce presupune full buffs , flask , potiuni etc ) da crit cu slam de ~60-65k ( aici un exemplu care trece putin de limita http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/u479gsswwejnlj81/details/9/?s=7488&&e=7776 ) .

aveti aici si un print cu dmg dat de slam la 15-16k ap ( selfbuffed ) pe dummy de lvl 85 ( 12k armor daca nu ma insel ) - se vede clar ce inseamna si overkill aici:



Deci imi pare rau sa te contrazic dar eu dau in full buff fara nici o arma donata si cu 363ilvl gen...80k+ slam critical in raid.Deci nu mai vbi daca nu stii oke?..Iar u ai dat dmg'u ala pe dummy cand aveai si colossus smash.Ma rog nu conteza asta.Postul este inutil pentru ca nu se stie ce avea ala pe el,daca avea ceva activat sau nu si cate buffe avea.So...pana nu se vine cu forumule ceva ca e gresit nu aveti ce sa faceti.



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Post Posted: 21-02-2012, 01:15:46 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

arma donata ? fara suparare , printul nu este de pe acest server . Mi se pare absurd la ~360 ilvl sa dai asemenea crituri . Si verifica logul pe care l'am pus . Respectivul warrior este #2 la dps pe specul lui - media slam criturilor fiind de ~67k ( in raid evident ).
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Post Posted: 21-02-2012, 01:31:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

cmc7 wrote:
1 la mana : nu stiu cine v-a invatat sa faceti scaderile alea . Se aduna dmg primit cu overkill-ul , deci crit-ul respectiv a fost de ~44k .
2 la mana : dmg - ul acesta este absurd in pvp . Ca idee generala un warrior >400ilvl + arma de 416 , in raid ( ceea ce presupune full buffs , flask , potiuni etc ) da crit cu slam de ~60-65k ( aici un exemplu care trece putin de limita http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/u479gsswwejnlj81/details/9/?s=7488&&e=7776 ) .

aveti aici si un print cu dmg dat de slam la 15-16k ap ( selfbuffed ) pe dummy de lvl 85 ( 12k armor daca nu ma insel ) - se vede clar ce inseamna si overkill aici:



Cmc7 fa-ti un warrior si arata tu intr-un screen ca dai 44k in dummy ala de 4k resil si 20k armor si daca intr-adevar e asa eu ma las de wow.

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Post Posted: 21-02-2012, 01:38:48 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

respectivul a dat . Personal , si daca ar fi avut berserking pe el mi se mare foarte mare critul .
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Post Posted: 21-02-2012, 02:12:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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1 la mana : nu stiu cine v-a invatat sa faceti scaderile alea . Se aduna dmg primit cu overkill-ul , deci crit-ul respectiv a fost de ~44k .


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Post Posted: 21-02-2012, 08:33:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

" over kill is how much you overhit the enemy for

say your enemy have 500hp, and you hit for 1000 = 500 over kill

999hp you hit for 1000 = 1 overkill " aduni overkill cu dmg luat ?
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Post Posted: 21-02-2012, 09:07:14 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

nu sunteti sanatosi ma...pe blizz un mag a dat 800k in bg in 4.0.6 sau 4.1....sunt atatia factori acolo...go test la duele fara bufs
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Post Posted: 21-02-2012, 09:25:22 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

@tamaie - nu mai posta aici prietenas cu aberatiile tale, nu-ti cunosti clasa si punct.
daca ai fi jucat macar 1 ora pe retail in patch 4.0.6 macar atat ai fi observat ca damage-ul la warr este FOARTE MARE pe freakz.
drept dovata se vad printurile cu warriorul ala ilvl 400 + care da crituri si damage ca pe freakz (adica gearul din patch 4.3 face acelasi damage ca gearul din 4.0.6 pe freakz - ceea ce este absurd)

referitor la slam:

nu ai cum sa dai atat damage, si anume 44k crit pe +3600 resil (39% damage reduction) + icebound fortitude (20% damage reduction)

warriorul are arma
http://www.wowhead.com/item=61339
base weapon damage 1795 - 2693 Damage
slam da 145% weapon damage plus 430 https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=1464 (wowhead link)

e modificat de:
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84572 15% > 166.75% weapon damage + 430
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=16494 20% > 200.1 weapon damage + 430
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12330 20% > 240.12 weapon damage + 430
si 3 stakuri de https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84588 (wowhead link) 30% > 312.156 weapon damage + 430
deci weapon damage pentru slam nu poate trece de 312.136 %weapon damage + 430

sa zicem ca warriorul ala avea la burst 30.000 ap (avea toate trinketele active + toate bufurile din wow + toate enchanturile activate) rezulta un weapon damage personal de:

weapon damage minim = 1795 + 23.6% din 30k = 8875
weapon damage maxim =2693 + 23.6% din 30k = 9773


weapon damage = base weapon damage + attack power modified

Weapon Normalization speed AP coefficient AP for 1 damage
Daggers 1.7 12.1% 8.24
Other one-handed weapons 2.4 17.1% 5.83
Two-handed weapons 3.3 23.6% 4.24
Ranged weapons 2.8 20.0% 5.00

sursa la weapon damage coefficients aici : http://www.wowwiki.com/Weapon_damage

sa calculez la maxim
9773 weapon damage la 30k ap (cu toate activate ca e super oferta) => 312.156% weapon damage + 430 => 30507.00588 damage slam noncrit

crit x2 = 61014.01176 damage

poate avea si meta https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=96256 (wowhead link) inca 3% crit damage marit => 62844 DAMAGE

-ignoram armura total (ca poate avea colosus smash debuf)
-scadem 39% damage reduction de la resil si rezulta => 38334.84 crit damage
-scadem 20% din icebound fortitude => 30667.872 crit damage

deja se vede ca abilitatea si talentele aferente nu functioneaza si multiplica prea mult damage-ul.
am calculat la 30k ap cu toate ca warriorul ala nu avea cum sa aibe atat ap + nu avea imba bufs sau zerg (venea de la grave si avea battle shout pe el + aura de la hunter)
se vede in primul post in armory link ce gear de kkat are.
sunt convins ca toti va aparati clasa si vi se pare perfect normal sa dati 44k crits in pvp sunt foarte putini warriors care au macar demnitatea sa recunoasca ca damage-ul este marit foarte tare din cauza unor talente care nu merg corect , din fericire pentru voi pe freakz chiar puteti sa dati crituri uriase pe full vicious targets la +3600 resil.

exemplul de mai sus arata clar ca skilul pe freakz si balance-ul in pvp nu exista , exista doar clase care sunt influentate pozitiv, nu-i de mirare ca la peste +2.3k rating intalnesti toate petardele si e plin de clikeri,backpedaling si keyturners noobs.

nu vreau sa demonstrez nimic, sper numai ca in timp sa se repare.

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Post Posted: 21-02-2012, 09:56:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

durham waru in 4.0.6 dadea mai tare ca in 4.3...se vede ce ai jucat si tu...toti warii au plans de nerfs la dmg...
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Amore wrote:
nu sunteti sanatosi ma...pe blizz un mag a dat 800k in bg in 4.0.6 sau 4.1....sunt atatia factori acolo...go test la duele fara bufs


uita'te in printul de mai sus daca e prea filozofica mecanica jocului pentru tine ( 1 dmg / 41k overkill ) . Nu'mi zi , am dat damage negativ , corect ?

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Post Posted: 21-02-2012, 12:59:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Berserking?
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Post Posted: 21-02-2012, 14:07:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

durham wrote:
@tamaie - nu mai posta aici prietenas cu aberatiile tale, nu-ti cunosti clasa si punct.
daca ai fi jucat macar 1 ora pe retail in patch 4.0.6 macar atat ai fi observat ca damage-ul la warr este FOARTE MARE pe freakz.
drept dovata se vad printurile cu warriorul ala ilvl 400 + care da crituri si damage ca pe freakz (adica gearul din patch 4.3 face acelasi damage ca gearul din 4.0.6 pe freakz - ceea ce este absurd)

referitor la slam:

nu ai cum sa dai atat damage, si anume 44k crit pe +3600 resil (39% damage reduction) + icebound fortitude (20% damage reduction)

warriorul are arma
http://www.wowhead.com/item=61339
base weapon damage 1795 - 2693 Damage
slam da 145% weapon damage plus 430 https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=1464 (wowhead link)

e modificat de:
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84572 15% > 166.75% weapon damage + 430
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=16494 20% > 200.1 weapon damage + 430
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12330 20% > 240.12 weapon damage + 430
si 3 stakuri de https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84588 (wowhead link) 30% > 312.156 weapon damage + 430
deci weapon damage pentru slam nu poate trece de 312.136 %weapon damage + 430

sa zicem ca warriorul ala avea la burst 30.000 ap (avea toate trinketele active + toate bufurile din wow + toate enchanturile activate) rezulta un weapon damage personal de:

weapon damage minim = 1795 + 23.6% din 30k = 8875
weapon damage maxim =2693 + 23.6% din 30k = 9773


weapon damage = base weapon damage + attack power modified

Weapon Normalization speed AP coefficient AP for 1 damage
Daggers 1.7 12.1% 8.24
Other one-handed weapons 2.4 17.1% 5.83
Two-handed weapons 3.3 23.6% 4.24
Ranged weapons 2.8 20.0% 5.00

sursa la weapon damage coefficients aici : http://www.wowwiki.com/Weapon_damage

sa calculez la maxim
9773 weapon damage la 30k ap (cu toate activate ca e super oferta) => 312.156% weapon damage + 430 => 30507.00588 damage slam noncrit

crit x2 = 61014.01176 damage

poate avea si meta https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=96256 (wowhead link) inca 3% crit damage marit => 62844 DAMAGE

-ignoram armura total (ca poate avea colosus smash debuf)
-scadem 39% damage reduction de la resil si rezulta => 38334.84 crit damage
-scadem 20% din icebound fortitude => 30667.872 crit damage

deja se vede ca abilitatea si talentele aferente nu functioneaza si multiplica prea mult damage-ul.
am calculat la 30k ap cu toate ca warriorul ala nu avea cum sa aibe atat ap + nu avea imba bufs sau zerg (venea de la grave si avea battle shout pe el + aura de la hunter)
se vede in primul post in armory link ce gear de kkat are.
sunt convins ca toti va aparati clasa si vi se pare perfect normal sa dati 44k crits in pvp sunt foarte putini warriors care au macar demnitatea sa recunoasca ca damage-ul este marit foarte tare din cauza unor talente care nu merg corect , din fericire pentru voi pe freakz chiar puteti sa dati crituri uriase pe full vicious targets la +3600 resil.

exemplul de mai sus arata clar ca skilul pe freakz si balance-ul in pvp nu exista , exista doar clase care sunt influentate pozitiv, nu-i de mirare ca la peste +2.3k rating intalnesti toate petardele si e plin de clikeri,backpedaling si keyturners noobs.

nu vreau sa demonstrez nimic, sper numai ca in timp sa se repare.



Ce sa se repare ba esti chiar atat de incapabil?....unde arati u ce avea warrioru ala pe el?Cine crezi ca te crede pe tine ca avea doar un buff si aura?...daca ar face toti ca tine bug report s'ar duce dq toate clasele.Nu ai u dreptul sa imi spui daca imi cunosc sau nu clasa atat timp cat u habar nu ai ce face un spell de la warrior.Uite'te pe net la spec slam pe arms si o o sa vezi dmg akl.Sa nu mai zik de furry warr(klinda) mai exact care dadea 70k+ in bg si aia nu intra akl verzi in bg'uri.Plangi atat ca ai luat 44k de la slam si nici nu arati ce avea ala pe el+ ca toti ti'au aratat de la ce avea NUMAI DIN TALENTE dmg increase,pe langa ce buffs avea.



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Post Posted: 21-02-2012, 14:09:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Super tare... doar ca unele calcule facute de tine nu sunt chiar asa de bune...

De baza, slam da 145% Weapon damage + 430... Ok si acum pune talentele...

War Academy : 1.15* 145% + 1.15 % 430 = 166.7% weapon damage + 494.5
Improved Slam : 1.2 * 166.7% + 1.2*494.5 = 200 % weapon damage + 568.7
LtS full : 1.3 * 200 + 1.3 * 568.7 =260% weapon damage + 771

Acum calculezi weapon damage, si din pacate formula ta nu era corecta deoarece slam nu este atac instant ca sa fie normalizat
Weapon damage = maxim de la arma + AP/14*3.6 ; AP-ul eu il iau de 20k...
WD = 2693 + 20000/14*3.6 = 2693 + 5143 = 7835
WD il inmultesti cu 1.4 ( Two Handed spec. + berserker + enraged) = 10969

Si acum calculezi damage : 2.6 * 10969 + 771 = 29290, asta noncrit

Critul va veni 2*29290*1.2 (acel 1.2 fiind de la Impale) = 70300
Arms are Blood Frenzy deci DMG-ul va fi 70300*1.04 = 73112

Acum scazi din asta resil-ul deci va veni ceva de genu : 0.61*73112 = 44600 DMG
Cat despre Icebound, eu nu prea cred ca il aveai pe tine... Poate a asteptat sa iti cada Icebound Fortitude si dupa aia ti-a dat slam, oricum... ceva ce ma nelamureste : cum se face ca la combat log scrie ora 9:34 si la clock scrie 9:32 ?

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