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Post Posted: 18-01-2012, 12:00:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=22568&&name=ferocious-bite
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: dupa cum stiti toti , si potrivit http://www.wowwiki.com/Critical_strike cand dai critical strike cu un spell ar trebui ca damage ul pe care-l dai sa fie 100% ( adica 2x ) fata de non-crit, pe cand la noi criticalul e mai mic ca normal hit.
Dovada / Proof: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/wowscrnshot011812113833.jpg/
Ar trebui sa va dea de gandit si ca Ferocious Bite ( finisher move spell ) da mai putin ca Mangle sau ca Shred (combo points generator spells)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/815/wowscrnshot011812113847.jpg/
Edit : Toate spellurile au fost testate fara procs si pe dummy ul cu 20.000 armor si 4000 resilience.

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Post Posted: 18-01-2012, 13:19:50 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Chrillz wrote:
Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=22568
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: dupa cum stiti toti , si potrivit http://www.wowwiki.com/Critical_strike cand dai critical strike cu un spell ar trebui ca damage ul pe care-l dai sa fie 100% ( adica 2x ) fata de non-crit, pe cand la noi criticalul e mai mic ca normal hit.
Dovada / Proof: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/wowscrnshot011812113833.jpg/
Ar trebui sa va dea de gandit si ca Ferocious Bite ( finisher move spell ) da mai putin ca Mangle sau ca Shred (combo points generator spells)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/815/wowscrnshot011812113847.jpg/
Edit : Toate spellurile au fost testate fara procs si pe dummy ul cu 20.000 armor si 4000 resilience.



in primul rand http://www.wowwiki.com/Critical_strike este out off date pentru cataclysm
in al 2-lea rand doar anumite clase si specuri au critul in cataclysm 200% exemplu shamanul elemental datorita talentului https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=60188 (wowhead link)
in al 3-lea rand daca nu ai talent sau talente de increase critical damage in cataclysm ai critul calculat cu un coeficient de 150%
in al 4-lea rand citeste aici comentariile de genul:
" Use against bleed immune or to finish off an enemy that won't survive for 3+ticks of rip. Damage pales compared to rip."

citeste coments: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=22568 (wowhead link)
in al 5-lea rand

"Finishing move that causes damage per combo point$?s67598 [ and consumes up to 35 additional energy to increase damage by up to 100%, and heals you for 1% of your total maximum health for each 10 energy used.][ and consumes up to 35 additional energy to increase damage by up to 100%.] Damage is increased by your attack power."

iti adauga la critul normal de 150% inca un damage de 200% din 35 energy (nu zic poate aici e buba)
si nu in ultimul rand iau FB 22k pe 3800 resil de la druizi. deci ori merge prea bine ori sunt eu un idiot ca am prea putin resil (doar 3800+)+ armura (doar 26k) aceasta abilitate find School Physical

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Post Posted: 18-01-2012, 13:32:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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in primul rand http://www.wowwiki.com/Critical_strike este out off date pentru cataclysm
in al 2-lea rand doar anumite clase si specuri au critul in cataclysm 200% exemplu shamanul elemental datorita talentului https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=60188 (wowhead link)
in al 3-lea rand daca nu ai talent sau talente de increase critical damage in cataclysm ai critul calculat cu un coeficient de 150%
in al 4-lea rand citeste aici comentariile de genul:
" Use against bleed immune or to finish off an enemy that won't survive for 3+ticks of rip. Damage pales compared to rip."

citeste coments: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=22568 (wowhead link)
in al 5-lea rand

"Finishing move that causes damage per combo point$?s67598 [ and consumes up to 35 additional energy to increase damage by up to 100%, and heals you for 1% of your total maximum health for each 10 energy used.][ and consumes up to 35 additional energy to increase damage by up to 100%.] Damage is increased by your attack power."

iti adauga la critul normal de 150% inca un damage de 200% din 35 energy (nu zic poate aici e buba)
si nu in ultimul rand iau FB 22k pe 3800 resil de la druizi. deci ori merge prea bine ori sunt eu un idiot ca am prea putin resil (doar 3800+)+ armura (doar 26k) aceasta abilitate find School Physical


WTF?!

E melee strike - au avut intotdeauna double damage la melee! Treaba cu talente pentru 200% la crit e DOAR pentru casteri.
Commentul ala quote de la tine e din 2007?! Urmeaza sa ne arati ca de fapt nu exista spellul va fi introdus in Mists of Pandaria.

Si da Chrillz, are dreptate - e ceva ciudat la Ferocious Bite - nu stiu daca negativ sau pozitiv.
Facut teste cu Paulykk - primeam 17k normal hit si 19k critical hit ( full energy ). Diferenta intre normal hit si critical hit e ciudata rau...

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Post Posted: 18-01-2012, 13:48:17 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

E melee strike - au avut intotdeauna double damage la melee!

ma esti sigur?
gen 100% sigur
daca da arata-ne si noua de unde sti
nu veni sa il trolezi pe twisted care a adus tone de dovezi cu mana goala


 
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+1 warn, habarnist, nu avem nevoie de asa ceva la bug report



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Post Posted: 18-01-2012, 13:50:24 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

@Twlsted, aberezi, abtine-te.
@Shay, eu toate testele le-am facut cu 35 / 100 energy..deci damage ul pe care il vezi in printurile cu recount este cel mai mic pe care-l pot da cu full gear, no procs.E posibil sa fie bug pozitiv in sensul ca e normal hit prea mare , dar nu cred pentru ca eu nu am vazut finishing move sa dea mai putin ca un combo point generator move.In opinia mea ferocious bite da prea putin critical hit.

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Post Posted: 18-01-2012, 14:01:29 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ciobuzzz wrote:
E melee strike - au avut intotdeauna double damage la melee!

ma esti sigur?
gen 100% sigur
daca da arata-ne si noua de unde sti
nu veni sa il trolezi pe twisted care a adus tone de dovezi cu mana goala


http://www.wowwiki.com/Critical_strike
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Critical strike (often abbreviated as "crit" or "crit strike") refers to 100% bonus physical damage (twice your normal damage) that occurs as a result of an attack made with melee or ranged weapons.


http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_critical_strike
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Spell critical strikes deal 150% normal damage without talents. However, most spellcasting classes have talents to increase it, most commonly to 200% normal damage. Spell critical heals will only heal for 150% of their normal amount.


http://vnboards.ign.com/world_of_warcraft_general_board/b19789/100652499/p1/
Post din 2006
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All melee and ranged crits do 100% more damage than the normal hits. There are a few talents that increase it.

Deci da ... INTOTDEAUNA.


@Chrillz
Screenshot-urile tale de la FB ma fac sa inclin spre acelasi lucru - bug negativ. mult prea mic damageul. Dar cum am zis , acum vreo cateva zile testam cu Paulykk si primeam 17k non-crit 19k crit. O sa ma pun poza cand ajung acasa.

Poti testa te rog din nou vs playeri ? Cred ca iar ignora resileince pe playeri, dar oricum nu e bine damageul.

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Post Posted: 18-01-2012, 14:23:44 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

playeri =/= dummy

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormscale/Rythmic/simple
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Post Posted: 18-01-2012, 15:11:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Chrillz wrote:
E posibil sa fie bug pozitiv in sensul ca e normal hit prea mare , dar nu cred pentru ca eu nu am vazut finishing move sa dea mai putin ca un combo point generator move.In opinia mea ferocious bite da prea putin critical hit.

Damage pe normal hit pare sa fie corect, atat cat am putut folosi informatiile despre formula pt FB de pe Freakz si de pe Wowhead.
Critical Hit este intotdeauna mai mare decat normal hit, dar este prea mic: 26k crit, 19k hit pe 0 resil 0 armor, druid feral cu 1 punct in Feral Agression, no procs/trinkets.

Nu am testat resil pe playeri.

Later Edit:
@Crillz, Ferocious Bite damage nu este influentat de proc de Unheeded Warning, intrucat nu depinde de weapon damage, ci exclusiv de Combo Points si Attack Power.



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Post Posted: 18-01-2012, 15:12:27 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/337/wowscrnshot011812144904.jpg/
Test facut pe DK frost cu 20k armura si 3700 resilience .
Singurul crit de 11700 l-am prins cu proc de https://www.wow-freakz.com/item_finder.php?item=59520&&name=unheeded-warning, din greseala.Restul au fost date fara nici un proc..majoritatea criturilor au fost undeva pe la 8k, ceea ce mi se pare foarte putin pentru end game gear pe cataclysm.Pe wotlk dadeam 7k fb -

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Post Posted: 18-01-2012, 15:55:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Exista un bug clar intre normal si crit la FB, Ar trebui sa fie 2x normal dmg si nu e asa.
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Post Posted: 19-01-2012, 20:30:48 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Aveam eu un topic facut in care calculasem si dadea cu ~5k mai putin la gearul de il aveam. O sa intru sa vad cum este acum sa va aduc niste calcule (cand am timp).
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Post Posted: 21-01-2012, 08:57:27 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

+1 cineva trebuie sa faca calcule, este prea mic crit damage fata de normal damage
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Post Posted: 21-01-2012, 14:01:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

asta nu inseamna ca normal dmg da prea tare si crit da normal?Adica normal dmg buguit...
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Twinblades wrote:
asta nu inseamna ca normal dmg da prea tare si crit da normal?Adica normal dmg buguit...

Sa te intreb ceva..fara calcule si alte porcarii, ti se pare corect sa dau 7k ferocious bite critical cand pe WOTLK dadeam 6k + ? Asta e problema cu voi , nu va intereseaza ce e corect , va intereseaza sa va fie voua si clasei voastre bine. Romania.

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Post Posted: 21-01-2012, 14:30:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

good point - ,asa zic si eu despre dk, nu vreau sa fac offtopic, dar cu dk deseases faceau 1500-1700 dmg per tick acum fac 700-800 -.

NU stiu daca damage-ul normal este baguit, dar damage-ul de crititical este , nu poti sa dai normal damage 20k si critical damage 11k, asa am patit eu ieri de cate ori.
Sau nu poti sa faci damage cu mangle intre 14k-17k si sa dai crit cu ferocios tot atat.
Sau nu poti sa ai critical chance 40% si sa ai si talentul Rend and bleed si totusi sa dai crit cu ferocios 1/7 maxim

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