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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 17:26:48 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am testat vs un priest healer... nu l-am dus sub 70%, ca warrior am dat max crit 25k cu slam care loveste cel mai tare, 25k crit la un HP de 325k e nimic, atat dau pe cata lol.
Eu zic sa pui 50 % base resil pentru primele 2 luni si dupa ce consideram ca are lumea gear sa il pui la 65%... nu cred ca e o idee buna sa pui battle fatigue de 45%.... valoare aia a fost in patch 5.3 cand era griveous gear si cred ca o sa faca dezechilibru intre comp-uri.

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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 17:40:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Bonusul Unique de 4k PvP Power de pe arme se aplica de doua ori pentru dual wielderi, am ajuns la 42,5% pvp power fara ca macar sa am full gear pvp.
Proof: http://imgur.com/a/Vqnjb

De asemenea am impresia ca merge PvP Power si pe PvE Training Dummy, s-ar putea sa ma insel totusi.




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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 20:39:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Am testat vs un priest healer... nu l-am dus sub 70%, ca warrior am dat max crit 25k cu slam care loveste cel mai tare, 25k crit la un HP de 325k e nimic, atat dau pe cata lol.
Eu zic sa pui 50 % base resil pentru primele 2 luni si dupa ce consideram ca are lumea gear sa il pui la 65%... nu cred ca e o idee buna sa pui battle fatigue de 45%.... valoare aia a fost in patch 5.3 cand era griveous gear si cred ca o sa faca dezechilibru intre comp-uri.

Care e logica in spatele acelei valori aparent random de 50%? Nu putem sa punem chiar orice valoare. Trebuie sa stim o chestie: ce resilience avea pe retail un player cu full dreadful/malevolent pe el pe patch 5.1/5.2. Daca e mai mic de 65% atunci trebuie sa scadem base resilience... daca nu, nu vad de ce sa il scadem
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Bonusul Unique de 4k PvP Power de pe arme se aplica de doua ori pentru dual wielderi, am ajuns la 42,5% pvp power fara ca macar sa am full gear pvp.
Proof: http://imgur.com/a/Vqnjb
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De asemenea am impresia ca merge PvP Power si pe PvE Training Dummy, s-ar putea sa ma insel totusi.
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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 22:04:11 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Trebuie sa stim o chestie: ce resilience avea pe retail un player cu full dreadful/malevolent pe el pe patch 5.1/5.2. Daca e mai mic de 65% atunci trebuie sa scadem base resilience... daca nu, nu vad de ce sa il scadem
Here you go patch 5.1/5.2 ↓
Warrior in full Malevolent + full resilience gems.
De la minutul 2:35 se vede Gear-ul+Gems, de la minutul 5:18 PvP Resil & PvP Power


Din ce vad are total: 68.08% PvP Resilience si 53.39% PvP Power

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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 22:27:17 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am gresit ceva la un fix de ieri si erau bulite o parte din stats (printre care cel mai grav mastery, la healeri le dadea heal in plus). Hai sa vedem acum cum merge treaba, daca s-a schimbat ceva
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Trebuie sa stim o chestie: ce resilience avea pe retail un player cu full dreadful/malevolent pe el pe patch 5.1/5.2. Daca e mai mic de 65% atunci trebuie sa scadem base resilience... daca nu, nu vad de ce sa il scadem
Here you go patch 5.1/5.2 ↓
Warrior in full Malevolent + full resilience gems.
De la minutul 2:35 se vede Gear-ul+Gems, de la minutul 5:18 PvP Resil & PvP Power


Din ce vad are total: 68.08% PvP Resilience si 53.39% PvP Power
Deci e perfect cum e acum la noi. 65% base + 3-4% din dreadful sau 65% base cu full malevolent (ca asta nu mai are resil). Sau imi scapa mie ceva?


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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 22:48:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Deci e perfect cum e acum la noi. 65% base + 3-4% din dreadful. Sau imi scapa mie ceva?
E perfect Resilul asa cum este(+ ~ 0.21% diferenta), dar au mai putea fi niste probleme la PvP power... de exemplu asta: Patch 5.3.0 (2013-05-21):

PvP Power bonus to healing is now based on class and specialization.
Healing specializations receive a 100% bonus to healing from PvP Power.
Damage specializations for Druids, Monks, Paladins, Priests, and Shaman receive a 70% bonus to healing from PvP Power.
All other specializations and classes (including tanking) receive a 40% bonus to healing from PvP Power.

Info din 5.3 este, dar nu gasesc cum a fost pe 5.0/5.1/5.2 ...

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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 23:01:03 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Daca va uitati atent la video omu are gemuri cu resil in toate socket-urile + ca are toate itemele malevolant cu ilvl 391 pentru ca a facut upgrade la ele.
Deci omu are 68% cu resil in toate socket-urile si atunci gemurile galbene dadeau 320 resil, umerii malevolant cu upgrade dadeau 346 resil... deci un gem galben cu 320 resil dadea cat o piesa de gear de pe tine.

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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 23:06:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am calculat eu, are 3240 resil din toate Gems + Socket Bonuses.

Daca mai adunam 1000 resil din setul de 4 piese si 5280 resil din trinket set bonus => 9520 resilience.

Deci daca scazi din 68% procentul de resil obtinut din 9520 resil (nu stiu cum se calculeaza procentul din rating) obtii base resilul care ar trebui folosit.
Din ce am calculat pe freakz (am dat jos headul cu 394 resil si am pierdut 0.16%) 1% inseamna ~2462 rating (n-am facut mai multe calcule ca sa fiu sigur)

9520/2462 vine cam 3,8%, deci 65% base resil ar trebui sa fie ok.

Ma rog, mai trebuie tinut cont de nerf-ul mentionat de scott mai sus.




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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 23:11:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Sigur functioneaza PvP Power?

Pe dummy cu 0 resil, 12629 damage
Pe player cu 67,47% resil, 4088 damage

(cu trinket proc)
Pe dummy cu 0 resil, 16483 damage
Pe dummy cu 65% resil, 5770 damage

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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 23:13:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

pai e bine, 16483 * (100 - 65) /100 = 5769,5 -> asta e al doilea calcul

pentru primul: 12629 * (100 - 67,47) = 4108,2137
hmm, aici se pare ca aproximeaza undeva si se pierde vreo 20 damage, dar oricum, e ceva minor

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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 23:20:05 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

tudor1297 wrote:
Am calculat eu, are 3240 resil din toate Gems + Socket Bonuses.

Daca mai adunam 1000 resil din setul de 4 piese si 5280 resil din trinket set bonus => 9520 resilience.

Deci daca scazi din 68% procentul de resil obtinut din 9520 resil (nu stiu cum se calculeaza procentul din rating) obtii base resilul care ar trebui folosit.
Din ce am calculat pe freakz (am dat jos headul cu 394 resil si am pierdut 0.16%) 1% inseamna ~2462 rating (n-am facut mai multe calcule ca sa fiu sigur)

9520/2462 vine cam 3,8%, deci 65% base resil ar trebui sa fie ok.

Ma rog, mai trebuie tinut cont de nerf-ul mentionat de scott mai sus.


Pai in primu rand gemurile galbene atunci dadeau 320 resil acum 160 + ca s-a dublat cel putin cat rating iti trebuie acum pt 1% resil fata de cum era atunci, deci ai calculat gresit.

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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 23:23:16 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nvm, functioneaza corect, trebuia sa testez separat pe PvE dummy si apoi pe PvP si sa compar. Era vorba de PvP Power, nu de resilience.
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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 23:29:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Eu am calculat cat resil are pe el din ce am vazut in video, treaba cu gem-urile care dau acum 160 in loc de 320 trebuie rezolvata altfel.

@ Shocker Cred ca ar trebui sa folosesti rata de conversie a resilului din 5.4 si sa modifici numai base resilul.
Cel mai usor ar fi sa sa-si dea un gm exact acelasi gear pe care il are Bajheera in filmuletul de mai sus, cu exact acelasi sockete (ma rog, versiunile cu 160 resil in loc de 320), si sa vedem diferenta, ca sa nu ne mai chinuim cu calcule. Si modifici base resil astfel incat sa se potriveasca valorea de pe freakz cu cea din video.




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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 23:37:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

tudor1297 wrote:
Am calculat eu, are 3240 resil din toate Gems + Socket Bonuses.

Daca mai adunam 1000 resil din setul de 4 piese si 5280 resil din trinket set bonus => 9520 resilience.

Deci daca scazi din 68% procentul de resil obtinut din 9520 resil (nu stiu cum se calculeaza procentul din rating) obtii base resilul care ar trebui folosit.
Din ce am calculat pe freakz (am dat jos headul cu 394 resil si am pierdut 0.16%) 1% inseamna ~2462 rating (n-am facut mai multe calcule ca sa fiu sigur)

9520/2462 vine cam 3,8%, deci 65% base resil ar trebui sa fie ok.

Ma rog, mai trebuie tinut cont de nerf-ul mentionat de scott mai sus.
Vezi ca Bajhera nu are 5280 resil bonus din trinkets, are doar 346 pe fiecare 346x2=692.

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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 23:40:11 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Se vede la min 5:21 are in total 10165 resil rating pt 28% resil, asta inseamna ca atunci iti trebuia 363 resil rating pt 1% resilience, acum cu 394 resil rating iti creste resilience cu 0,16%
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