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Post Posted: 29-03-2015, 23:43:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Yeah, you're right. M-am uitat pe freakz la trinkete, n-am avut rabdare sa ma uit la tot video-ul -

Atunci vine cam 9520-5280+692 = 4392
4392/2462 = 2% resil

Dar oricum, nu prea mai conteaza ce am calculat, cea mai usoara metoda e cea pe care am propus-o mai sus. Sa compare cineva resilul avand exact acelasi gear si aceleasi gemuri si sa fie pus base resil astfel incat sa se potriveasca cele doua valori.
Si sa fie repetat procesul atunci cand ne schimbam la un sezon nou.




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Post Posted: 30-03-2015, 00:11:37 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Interesant este ca in videoul lui Bajheera Trinkets au stats mai mari... la ce stats ajungem pe freakz cu x2 upgrade?
video - on use 5.499 strength x2 upgrade
freakz - on use 2.553 strength no upgrade
video - insignia 3.881 x2 upgrade
freakz - insignia 3.603 no upgrade

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Post Posted: 30-03-2015, 00:21:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Rep107 wrote:
Interesant este ca in videoul lui Bajheera Trinkets au stats mai mari... la ce stats ajungem pe freakz cu x2 upgrade?
video - on use 5.499 strength x2 upgrade
freakz - on use 2.553 strength no upgrade
video - insignia 3.881 x2 upgrade
freakz - insignia 3.603 no upgrade


Stats au fost modificate odata cu 5.3, nu compara cu ce vezi in video, chiar daca folosesti upgrade resilu nu creste.

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Post Posted: 30-03-2015, 00:30:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

mihai25 wrote:
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Interesant este ca in videoul lui Bajheera Trinkets au stats mai mari... la ce stats ajungem pe freakz cu x2 upgrade?
video - on use 5.499 strength x2 upgrade
freakz - on use 2.553 strength no upgrade
video - insignia 3.881 x2 upgrade
freakz - insignia 3.603 no upgrade


Stats au fost modificate odata cu 5.3, nu compara cu ce vezi in video, chiar daca folosesti upgrade resilu nu creste.
Ma refer la strength buff nu la pssive stats, in patchu ala primeai mai mult strength... in fine, eram curios.

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Post Posted: 30-03-2015, 01:45:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ok din ce am adunat eu avea 3080 resil din gemuri + enchantu cu 200 resil de pe chest.
Si cum am zis ca iti trebuia 363 resil rating pt 1% resilience asta inseamna ca el avea 8,4 % resil din gemuri si enchant insemnand ca setul malevolant ii oferea 20% resilience.
Deci base resil trebuie setat la 57% pentru ca mai e set bonusul de la trinkete 3% care o sa il aibe toata lumea 100%.

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Post Posted: 30-03-2015, 10:21:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Rep107 wrote:
Interesant este ca in videoul lui Bajheera Trinkets au stats mai mari... la ce stats ajungem pe freakz cu x2 upgrade?
video - on use 5.499 strength x2 upgrade
freakz - on use 2.553 strength no upgrade
video - insignia 3.881 x2 upgrade
freakz - insignia 3.603 no upgrade


Hmm probabil la momentul respectiv trinketul pvp cu on use avea cd 2 minute - in patchul asta 5.4.8 are cd 1 minut. Probasbil de-asta dadea stats dublu.



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Post Posted: 30-03-2015, 11:43:21 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Probabil nu este cea mai buna idee dar alte servere ce au facut in legatura cu problema asta ? Presupun ca nu au bagat direct patch 5.4.8 content si nici nu au luat patchurile pe rand .


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Post Posted: 30-03-2015, 13:19:43 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Probabil nu este cea mai buna idee dar alte servere ce au facut in legatura cu problema asta ? Presupun ca nu au bagat direct patch 5.4.8 content si nici nu au luat patchurile pe rand .
Nu ia nimeni contentul pe rand ca noi. Ei ori au bagat direct 5.4.8, ori au bagat 5.1 atunci cand aveau versiunea de wow 5.1, noi bagam 5.1 content cu versiunea de wow 5.4.8 in care itemele, desi content de 5.1 (dreadful/malevolent) au stats de 5.4.8 (fara resilience pe ele @ malevolent)


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(da, stiu, nu e prea corect dar nu ne intereseaza asa mult ca toata lumea o sa fie cu PVP gear in PVP)


Din punctul meu de vedere ar trebui sa fie prioritar aspectul asta. Adica ca PvE gear sa nu fie prea viabil in PvP.
Pentru ca tot expansionul respectiv MOP, Blizz s-a exprimat explicit ca nu vrea sa repete greseala din 4.3.4 cand armele si trinketele din PVE au stricat PvP-ul.

Dar ce se poate face este sa urmati exact pasii pe care i-a facut Blizzu in aceasta privinta:
1. A dat downgrade la ilvl'ul tuturor itemelor PVE sa ajunga la ilvl-ul celor PvP - in arena si battlegrounds. In world pvp nu se da downgrade.
De ex: daca ai un item pve de ilvl 496 si maxim la PvP este ilvl 483 - atunci in arena sau bg itemul tau de 496 scade cu stats , ilvl etc la nivelul de 483 ilvl.
Si astfel, itemul PvP devine clar mai bun pentru ca are PvP power.
Nota: Daca stie careva cum se face mai exact downgradeul - adica daca se da la ilvl de pvp fara ugrade-uri sau la maximul la care se poate ajunge cu 2 upgradeuri.

2. Au bagat set bonusul la trinkets astfel incat sa nu mai foloseasca nimeni trinkets pve in PVP - ceea ce s-a intamplat.
Iar, daca stie cineva exact cat damage reduction oferea acest bonus ar fi bine sa ajute cu info -
Ideea e ca in Mitst , la nivelul de PVP competitiv nimeni nu folosea iteme PVE

3. Meta gemul si cloakurile legendare le-au facut sa nu procuie in arena.



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Post Posted: 30-03-2015, 17:38:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Pai oricum n-o sa joace nimeni in PvE gear pentru ca n-o sa dea destul damage, neavand PvP power.
Cat despre arme PvE nici nu se pune problema, arma PvP iti ofera un bonus de 4000 attack power, n-ai cum sa alegi altceva peste bonusul asta.




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raven3 wrote:
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(da, stiu, nu e prea corect dar nu ne intereseaza asa mult ca toata lumea o sa fie cu PVP gear in PVP)

Din punctul meu de vedere ar trebui sa fie prioritar aspectul asta. Adica ca PvE gear sa nu fie prea viabil in PvP.
Da, si asta o sa se si intample si la noi, nimeni nu o sa stea cu iteme PVE in PVP pentru ca o sa aibe 0 PVP POWER, deci o sa dea dmg FOARTE MIC (chiar daca itemele pve au stats mai mare, tot mai bine o sa fie cu iteme PVP cu PVP Power) + ca o sa facem probabil si partea cu PVE ilvl downscale, stiu de ea doar ca nu am info concrete.

In alta ordine de idei, se pare ca acel 65% base resilience e cam mare pentru dreadful. Am gasit un screenshot de pe retail din patch 5.0.5 (cand era dreadful, exact ce vrem noi)

56% resil in full dreadful. Asadar fac base resilience 50% si din full dreadful o sa faceti inca vreo ~5% resil si o sa fie mai ok. Alta cale de mijloc CHIAR NU AVEM CUM SA GASIM, doar sa sarim de tot peste season-ul asta dar nu cred ca vrea nimeni asta


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Post Posted: 30-03-2015, 17:50:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Pai daca faci base resil 50% o sa avem prea putin in Malevolent gear, vreo 53 maxim(full gems cu resil + setul de trinkete + setul de 4p) in loc de 68, cat avea Bajheera.

O solutie perfecta nu ai cum sa gasesti, intr-adevar, dar cred ca mai bine pui media aritmetica intre 50% si 65%, adica ~57%.




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56% resil in full dreadful. Asadar fac base resilience 50% si din full dreadful o sa faceti inca vreo ~5% resil si o sa fie mai ok. Alta cale de mijloc CHIAR NU AVEM CUM SA GASIM, doar sa sarim de tot peste season-ul asta dar nu cred ca vrea nimeni asta


Hmm .. in lagatura cu asta sunt niste lucruri de luat in considerare:
1. Dreadful e doar un gear provizoriu. Balansarea finala o sa trebuiasca facuta in jurul gearului epic Malevolent.
Malevolent o sa aduca mai mult attack power, spell power si PvP power

2. La capitolul damage , o influenta considerabila o au si gems si enchants

3. In imaginea asta vad ca tipul are 56% PvP resilience si 30% PvP power
La noi acum, cel putin in tooltip eu am PvP resilience de 70% si PvP power de 40%(in full dreadful)
Daca se baga pvp power de 50% + 5% din iteme etc si ramane pvp power la 40% atunci probabil dmgul va fi mai mare decat ar trebui.

Adevarul probabil e udneva pe la mijloc:
In dreadful gear, probabil o valoare a PvP resil de 55% e mai buna dar in gear Malevolent va trebui sa se ajunga cumva in jur la 65%-68% pentru ca va creste foarte mult dmgul din cauza la stats increse + armele malevolent.





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Post Posted: 30-03-2015, 18:01:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

raven3 wrote:
Rep107 wrote:
Interesant este ca in videoul lui Bajheera Trinkets au stats mai mari... la ce stats ajungem pe freakz cu x upgrade?
video - on use 5.499 strength x2 upgrade
freakz - on use 2.553 strength no upgrade
video - insignia 3.881 x2 upgrade
freakz - insignia 3.603 no upgrade


Hmm probabil la momentul respectiv trinketul pvp cu on use avea cd 2 minute - in patchul asta 5.4.8 are cd 1 minut. Probasbil de-asta dadea stats dublu.
Nope, tot 1 minut are si in video - 8:19

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Post Posted: 30-03-2015, 18:11:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Atunci nu ne ramane de facut decat sa bag resilience fortat pe malevolent desi acu itemele nu mai au resil pe ele. Problema e ca o sa apara confuzii, playerii nu o sa inteleaga de unde au resil pe ei. Dar........... chiar nu avem ce face.

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