[FIXED] gamebreaking bug

[Mighty]

Then dont, the forum is used for reports not for drama. If u dont have anything useful at all to bring towards the report then dont bring ur bs to drift its direction elsewhere.

[Amnezx]

Mighty wrote:

@amnezx this wasnt a suggestion it was bugged for dks, the idea was if there is something wrong with the rppm or some sort of glitch/exploit mechanic to it, ppl shouldnt drag the discussion elsewhere from the main idea of the report and so we can investigate more about. Maybe just more info related to the original idea of the report.

I can assure you that there is nothing wrong. Get the base 1 PPM and multiply it by 60-70% haste, and you`ll have 1.7 PPM, if you add Rezan trinket, you can add 20% more, and you`ll have double the RPPM a warrior has.

I can come with proof, that Geti'ikku was to3-5 damaging abilities for DKs on retail too.

[Amnezx]

Amnezx wrote:

Mighty wrote: @amnezx this wasnt a suggestion it was bugged for dks, the idea was if there is something wrong with the rppm or some sort of glitch/exploit mechanic to it, ppl shouldnt drag the discussion elsewhere from the main idea of the report and so we can investigate more about. Maybe just more info related to the original idea of the report. I can assure you that there is nothing wrong. Get the base 1 PPM and multiply it by 60-70% haste, and you`ll have 1.7 PPM, if you add Rezan trinket, you can add 20% more, and you`ll have double the RPPM a warrior has. I can come with proof, that Geti'ikku was to3-5 damaging abilities for DKs on retail too.

Some examples:
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/hr9t0y/details_accidentally_showed_the_dk_as_blood_and/
https://imgur.com/a/3jghZKx
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/getiikku-cut-of-death-is-broken/253404/20

Plus tons of vids, showing arena play of DKs holding getikku

[uffi]

I posted what is essentially "wrong" with it, it's the fact that we have 8.3 scaled things in 8.1. Where you have the DoT that got buffed 4 TIMES IN VALUE in 8.2 owning players with 8.1 health/gear. (not to mention peeps having full dono gear cheesing it basically with already having 8.2 gear/stats)
But noone fokin cares, class mod legit called me blind and he himself is not able to read and see that i pointed out IF we had real 8.1.5 scaling his weapon would do 11k instead od 47k.
NOTHING RELATED TO HIS LITTLE SCREENSHOT OR POST OF HIS LITTLE CUTE 425 WEAPON. NOONE IS GOING TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOU SHMOL CUTIE UWU MY LITTLE UNICORN OWO

Only dude here doing something is actually Amnezx proving that there is nothing wrong with it. It's not the item/proc it's the system.
Bye.

PS: Can't wait corruption/essences. Oh boy, oh boy.

[Mighty]

The pictures posted were to show you it works correctly the way it IS atm, not how it would work IF we had 8.1.5 notes. It is written on the very first page that the server is using the latest patch notes, no reason to bring these IF arguments into discussion since everyone knew about it from the very start. All you do is whining whenever and wherever you can about ur glimmer post while complaining how other classes are having a much better time than your spec. Change the spec, change the class. Play these so broken stuff aswell. What keeps you from doing so?

Amnezx wrote:

It works correctly overall. It is normal for warriors to have lower overall damage on Gettiku vs DKs since I can Kite a warrior 24/7, thus lowering the uptime by a lot. Also as I mentioned, as DK you have much more haste Steroids which increases the proc chance (60% haste with overwhelming and Unholy assault https://imgur.com/a/UrBsIA4)

I know how it works, a bad uptime on the target or simply a bad rotation can confuse some ppl and drive you to the conclusion the bleed itself does too much. Or just a lucky day. As for the rppm or glitch/exploits related to it, these were ideas that have been discussed above by others, i never said there is something wrong with it.

[Amnezx]

Mighty wrote:

I know how it works, a bad uptime on the target or simply a bad rotation can confuse some ppl and drive you to the conclusion the bleed itself does too much. Or just a lucky day. As for the rppm or glitch/exploits related to it, these were ideas that have been discussed above by others, i never said there is something wrong with it.

Check here, different Uptime vs different comps. It ranges between top 3 and top 5 https://imgur.com/a/rNsVPa5

I don't know why would someone imply that is a bugged PPM /exploit for a certain class, where DKs is the class that probably has the most uptime on target as melee DPS. I don't have any items/talents/azerites that can Proc extra attacks in order to proc the Geti'ikku more often, is just how game mechanics are and how uptime on a target influences the proc chance.

Look here, Damage ranking as enemy warrior: https://imgur.com/a/WJQ6kuy

And My warrior, when I could maintain a decent Uptime on targets: https://imgur.com/a/H0H3MWh


Otherwise, it will be lower as warrior, since you won't be able to maintain the same amount of uptime as a DK on a target.

[hbrake]

@amnezx you said something about a lot of vids that can prove what are u saying about the gettiku sword. I am waiting for it. Also, what made me open this topic, was not about dk, was about the item. In my second ss, you can see you much dmg that war did with gettikus dot, kited by a resto dudu. And yes, you can have a lot of uptime as dk, but in that arena, i remind you, all you did was kite and attack only when you have burst, which was 20-30 sec uptime and 1-2 min of kite.

[Amnezx]

One example: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-vX1aFSrdBg&t=19:

Timestamped: 0:19 - Gettiku on DH, and it reapplies right before duration finishes. Also, you can see that it does ~25k damage on 8.3 with much more versa on targets than we have right now (~40%ish), while unholy in 2s was played full Gush/haste corruptions (usually 4/4 or fulll 8 gush).
Also 0:40 Geti'ikku procs again on DH

At 5:33 another arena starts and it has already procced on warrior. At 5:56 you can see it procced on shaman also, and at 5:59 geti'ikku proccs again on shaman.

And so on, you can watch this video as long as you want, and you can see that it has lots of procs. And you can also see that it does ~20k damage on the shaman, which it should have around 50% versatility (games are at 2700+ MMR so people are geared enough, moreover all healers were playing 9/9 versa corruptions).

On 8.3 it has even more procs than here, with 8.1.5 gearing since you'll have much more haste (procs and gear) and also from haste corruptions. With 4 gush 4 haste, while you`re fully procced + unholy assault you will reach around 150% haste which translates into 2.5-3 RPPM of Geti'ikku

I hope this proved my point and we can conclude that the weapon is not bugged.

[hbrake]

I agree that on 8.3 there is another story. But atm, we dont have that much haste. There are no essences neither corruptions. I can understand that you have a full donor + haste sockets on every item and you hit more often but in my other ss, that war is not a donor and still hitted a lot more with gettiku. Can you understand my point?

[Amnezx]

hbrake wrote:

I agree that on 8.3 there is another story. But atm, we dont have that much haste. There are no essences neither corruptions. I can understand that you have a full donor + haste sockets on every item and you hit more often but in my other ss, that war is not a donor and still hitted a lot more with gettiku. Can you understand my point?

I get your point and I understand. But you have to take into consideration much more variables than on retail. Here, with 8.1.5 items and 8.3 changes things are not exactly how it used to be on retail 8.1.5.

RPPM and damage of the weapon is not bugged. The fact that that warrior had 425 geti and lot of vers (round 20% since he has 425 pvp trinkets too), and you were 396 ilvl with lowish vers is to be taken into consideration too.

Once again, I repeat myself, I am not trying to defend a bug, but I am trying to prove that nothing is bugged. I reported over 200 bugs over many expansions here on freakz, and trust me, I never defended positive bugs.

What can be done, is waiting for 8.2 and furthermore 8.3, when:

1. Classes will fall into their actual place because of how gearing works.
2. Ilvl gap will be much closer to actual donated chars, and a 10 ivll difference between 455 and 445 wouldn't be that big, as it is right now from 423 to 413.
3. With 8.3, the removal of Titanforged/Wargorged will tighten even more the gap, since you`ll be able to gear yourself up to 465 ilvl from M15, and receive 475 ilvl from weekly chests (thus reducing RNG while gearing).
4. Corruption will be bought from vendor, so no RNG is involved while gearing (you get your desired 465/475 ilvl piece and you will be able to add whichever corruption you would like)
5. Sockets on items will be much easier to obtain (visions/raiding etc awards echoes of ny'alotha, thus being able to buy Corruptions/Sockets on items)

[zeakey]

Hello,

So I too noticed this to be a bit peculiar that one sword does higher damage than any other ability. So after some testing it turned out that bleed damage benefits from Versa with multiplier of ~ 2x.

Example:

455 ilvl Geti'ikku, Cut of Death
Damage over 12 sec = 74124 or 18531 per bleed 4x

So if our versa is 69% formula should be:

18531 * 1.69 = 31317

On Freakz it is:

18531 * 1.69 * X = 53125
X = 53125 / 1.69 /18531
X ~ 1.7

So it is slightly over 2x Versa.

Trello:

https://trello.com/c/HdU2mCB8/714-weapon-getiikku-cut-of-death-2x-versa-benefit

[FreakzStaff]

Issue is now fixed and moved to Fixed Bugs.

Trello Card Link : https://trello.com/c/HdU2mCB8/714-weapon-getiikku-cut-of-death-2x-versa-benefit