[FIXED] [Monk][All Specs][Spell] Rushing Jade Wind & Spinning Crane Kick

[Dreadblade]

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=101546
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=116847
Bug description: Damage benefits from Spell Power, while it shouldn't gain any benefit at all from it. The result is that Mistweaver Monks can simply spam this spell and kill everything with ease.

The correct formula is:
For min damage:

Code:

[1.59 * (0.880503 * (1 * 0.898882 * (Mainhand Min DPS +1 * (Mainhand Min DPS / 2)) + (Attack power / 14) - 1))]

For max damage:

Code:

[1.59 * (0.880503 * (1 * 0.898882 * (Mainhand Max DPS +1 * (Mainhand Max DPS / 2)) + (Attack power / 14) + 1))]

P.S. the formula for Spinning Crane Kick is different on wowhead, but it hasn't been updated since 5.0.5...
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=101546 (wowhead link)

Proof:
Rushing Jade Wind:

Spoiler:

With 2k attack power


With 12k spell power

Spinning Crane Kick

Spoiler:

With 2k attack power


With 12k spell power

[Shocker]

I think you're in Stance of the Wise Serpent

Quote:

Your attack power is equal to 200% of your spell power, and you no longer benefit from other sources of attack power.

Why is this a bug?

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[raven3]

Stiu sigur ca dmgul creste de la spellpower. Am testat pe Windwalker - gear de agil + 2 arme one hand cu spellpower .
Rezultatul e ca a crescut dmgul cu mai mult de 100% la Rushing jade wind.

Un alt aspect: Eu pe mistweaver dau cu rushing jade wind dmg de 3-4 ori mai mare decat pe Windwalker.
Pe windwalker am 22K AP iar pe Mist ma indoiesc ca am de 3-4 ori mai mult AP de la 200% sp de la aspect.
Revin cu un edit pe seara cand ajung la PC - dar ceva sigur e in neregula cu RJW vs spellpower de vreme ce pot beneficia si pe WIndwalker de SP

[Dreadblade]

Shocker wrote:

I think you're in Stance of the Wise Serpent

Check the screenshots, I tested it in Windwalker spec, as I had no Stance of the Wise Serpent / Sturdy Ox on my stance bar.

[Shocker]

15k spell power - 10k dmg
45k spell power - 10k dmg
???

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[Dreadblade]

Shocker wrote:

15k spell power - 10k dmg 45k spell power - 10k dmg ???

I think only SP gained from items will benefit it. Anyway I ran more tests:

6k SP (just SP weapon) 3.9k - 4.1k dmg
6.1k AP (agility weapon + some gear) 1.7k - 2.7k dmg

8k SP + 2k AP (full intellect gear + agility weapon) 6.9k - 7.6k dmg
14k SP (full intellect gear + SP weapon) 9.8k - 10k dmg
^I forgot to replace agility bracers

19k AP (full agility gear + agi weapon) 2.7k - 3.9k dmg
18k AP + 6k SP (full agility gear + SP weapon) 5.7k - 6.2k dmg

I also tested with 35k SP gained from items - ~19k dmg

If it doesn't benefit from SP, then maybe it benefits from intellect... but that wouldn't make sense.

[wrathy]

What I posted here was incorrect. I cannot delete this reply for some reason :S

[wrathy]

Quote:

Bug description: Damage benefits from Spell Power, while it shouldn't gain any benefit at all from it. The result is that Mistweaver Monks can simply spam this spell and kill everything with ease. The correct formula is: For min damage: Code: [1.59 * (0.880503 * (1 * 0.898882 * (Mainhand Min DPS +1 * (offhand Min DPS / 2)) + (Attack power / 14) - 1))] For max damage: Code: [1.59 * (0.880503 * (1 * 0.898882 * (Mainhand Max DPS +1 * (offhand Max DPS / 2)) + (Attack power / 14) + 1))]

If you follow these formula's of Dreadblade and using some numbers, his point becomes more in the lines that there is some kind of damage scaling in the spell that should not be there.

I have no Monk, so I will try and replicate a situation based on rough guesses (since Monks will never post this themselves, right?)

I will assume the following (based on a Monk I had in the group, same as in the screenshot):
Spell power = 23.000 (translating in 46.000 attack power)
Main hand = Je'Lyu (min dps: 2310 / 2.4; max dps: 4291 / 2.4)
Off hand = no weapon

Filling in these numbers make that RJW should hit for: 5812.62 - 6851.38 damage. On the server the damage is basically 3-5x the supposed value. Healing for 25% of 5812.62 - 6851.38 damage on the lowest party member seems fine.

Damage of RJW on Freakz
note: since it is not my Monk, the name is removed.

[tovry]

Source http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1251599-The-Serpent%E2%80%99s-Accord-A-Mistweaver-PvE-Guide-5-4

I found this. SCK formula

Quote:

[ 236% of Mainhand Min DPS + 12.5% of AP - 2 ] to [ 236% of Mainhand Max DPS + 12.5% of AP + 2 ]

The problem is there ar too much variables, and i can't find the corect formula to calculate Mainhand Min DPS or max DPS

Source http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9972877812

Quote:

It's probably the DPS of the minimum damage and the DPS of the maximum damage (I'm pretty sure the DPS shown is the average). (Also keep in mind that it's actually using the values shown in your character sheet, which include the contribution from attack power, not the values shown on the weapon itself.)

Folowing this formula, but combining the the average character dps, SCK have the corect dmg... But in my opinion the dmg is to high...for my char (in the tooltipe) it's says that i hit for 6k to 7k per hit with SCK, but i hit for 20k dmg

Can anyone help me/us to find the formula that calculate the wepon min/max dps? I gues this is the main problem for monks right now

[wrathy]

I used the following translation:

Mainhand Min DPS = lowest possible weapon damage (without any boosts) / weapon speed
Mainhand Max DPS = highest possible weapon damage (without any boosts) / weapon speed

Example:
Imaginary staff with 5000 - 15000 damage
speed of 2.60

Mainhand Min DPS = 5000 / 2.60 = 1923.08
Mainhand Max DPS = 15000 / 2.60 = 5769.24

I don't include other factors in this, since the other part of the main formula consists of Attack Power already (this contradicts with your quote).

[tovry]

Hmmm mby you are right... i made some test whit your formula and the resoulting dmg seems legit! there are some differences in dmg between 500 to 1000 but it's better then 10.000 i gues... if someone can confirm that this fromula of yours is right (someone who knows and understand the mecanics of the spells), then i think this could be the solution.

[Dreadblade]

I have found the formula for min/max weapon DPS:

(MinWeaponDmg / 2) / WeaponSpeed
(MaxWeaponDmg / 2) / WeaponSpeed

Also you need to calculate using values from your Character Sheet (for weapon damage), not the values displayed on the item.

Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9972877812#8
http://www.wowwiki.com/Damage_per_second

[tovry]

Thanx... so this means that whit no items... just my weapon i got :

Quote:

MainHand Min DPS = (4973/2) / 2.36) MainHand Min DPS = 1053.6 SCK Dmg= [236%MainHand Min DPS + 12,5% AP -2] SCK Dmg= [2,36 * 1053.6 + 0.12 * 13.985 -2] SCK Dmg= [2486,4 + 1672,9] SCK Dmg= 4159,36

I
Conlcusion: SCK hit for more then double ingame right now. And i gues that anyone can test this just wiht one weapon and no other gear.

I'm not saying that i'm right...i have to do more tests. Next days i'm going to post all the spels using the formule for mainhand min/max dps and then we can talk more... and tnx for help DREADBLADE

Sory for bad pic but i'am at work right now... have a shitty pc!

http://i.imgur.com/ulwA4iz.png

[wrathy]

Dreadblade wrote:

I have found the formula for min/max weapon DPS: (MinWeaponDmg / 2) / WeaponSpeed (MaxWeaponDmg / 2) / WeaponSpeed Also you need to calculate using values from your Character Sheet (for weapon damage), not the values displayed on the item. Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9972877812#8 http://www.wowwiki.com/Damage_per_second

There seems to be no proof in the topics of either WoWWiki or the Battle.net about the formula a person provided. What I conclude here is that the poster in the link is transforming the WoWWiki formula:

Quote:

((Min Weapon Damage + Max Weapon Damage) / 2) / Weapon Speed

But this formula is not used for minimum, or maximum weapon dps. It is to calculate the average dps of the weapon (the one also stated in the tooltip of the weapon itself). This is why there is a division by 2; to get the middle between the max and min damage. Dividing by 2 to get the min/max weapon DPS sounds weird.

Also the character sheet damage is portrayed by:

Quote:

Minimum Range = (((Minimum damage / Weapon Speed) + (Melee Attack Power / 14)) * (Weapon Speed)) * (Dual Wield Penalty) Maximum Range = (((Maximum damage / Weapon Speed) + (Melee Attack Power / 14)) * (Weapon Speed)) * (Dual Wield Penalty)

This has two components:

1. (Minimum damage / Weapon Speed) -> I assume this is the min weapon dps
2. (Melee Attack Power / 14)) * (Weapon Speed)) * (Dual Wield Penalty) -> I assume this is the addition of attack power.

This would make more sense, in my eyes. Especially since the RJW formula already has a part that takes account for the attack power stat of the Monk

Quote:

The correct formula is: For min damage: Code: [1.59 * (0.880503 * (1 * 0.898882 * (Mainhand Min DPS +1 * (offhand Min DPS / 2)) + (Attack power / 14) - 1))] For max damage: Code: [1.59 * (0.880503 * (1 * 0.898882 * (Mainhand Max DPS +1 * (offhand Max DPS / 2)) + (Attack power / 14) + 1))]

[tudor1297]

Maybe it benefits from attack power twice? Once when the Min/Max damage is calculated and once more in SPK's formula. But I don't think this would increase it's damage so much



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