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Post Posted: 17-01-2012, 11:11:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51482 (wowhead link)
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: nu aplica corect valoarea de > Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Lava Burst spell by an additional 24% SI Nu se aplica decat 10% haste (adica talent rank1) chiar daca eu am 3/3IN LOC DE 24% CRITICAL STRIKE DAMAGE ADAUGA DOAR 9%-10% CRIT DAMAGE DUPA CUM SE POATE VEDEA IN POZELE SI EXEMPLELE CARE URMEAZA.
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acest topic a fost inchis deoarece nu prezenta dovezi clare si era facut in necunostinta de cauza
http://forum.wow-freakz.com/REJECTED-SHAMAN-Lava-Burst-t122012.html

am testat fiecare aspect in parte dupa cum urmeaza:

LAVA BURST SPELL POWER COEFFICIENT
57.14% IN WOTLK
http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_power_coefficient
11/5/2010 - patch 4.0.1 - cataclysm - Lava Burst - 62.8% spell power coefficients
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/970017122
+10% DAMAGE ADAUGAT IN 4.0.6 Jan 28, 2011 - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2011384
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=62099 (wowhead link) additional 36% benefit from your spell power SHAMANISM
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=16106 (wowhead link) Increases the damage done by your Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Thunderstorm, Lava Burst and Shock spells by 6% CONCUSSION
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=16160 (wowhead link) Increases the damage done by your Fire Totems and Fire Nova by 20%, and damage done by your Lava Burst spell by 10% CALL OF FLAME
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=30674 (wowhead link) Increases your Fire, Frost and Nature damage by 3%
GLYPH 10% DAMAGE

SI TOATE MERG CORECT + VAD CA SPELL POWER COEFFICIENT ESTE CORECT ADAUGAT SI REFLECTA REALITATEA DIN PATCH 4.0.6

DAR TALENTUL https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51482 (wowhead link) MAI EXACT PARTEA DE 24% DAMAGE NU MERGE CORECT
DOAR PARTEA DE 24% Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Lava Burst - NU ADAUGA ACEL PROCENT DE 24% LA CRIT DAMAGE



ASTFEL AVEM FARA TALENT (FARA META sau TRINKETE CU PROC sau ENCHANTS CU PROC)


AM CALCULAT LA AVG. DAMAGE - 23009 CRIT DAMAGE

CU TALENT (SAME STATS / TARGET 0 RESIL / O ARMURA)


AM CALCULAT LA AVG.DAMAGE - 25741 CRIT DAMAGE

AR FI TREBUIT 23009 + 24% = 28531.16

DIFERENTA ESTE DE APROAPE 3k DAMAGE (mai exact 2790.16 diferenta) (DA RECUNOSC NU ESTE FOARTE MARE DAR CAND AI FOOD/FLASK/ZERG/BL/TRINKET PROC/ENCHANT PROC) SE SIMTE IN PVP
ACEL 3K DIFERENTA REPREZINTA APROAPE 10% DIN VALOAREA SPELULUI DECI APROXIMATIV 1K RESIL IN PLUS PE TARGET (IN PVP) SI -10-12% DPS (IN PVE)

AM FACUT ACEST POST CAT DE SIMPLU SI DE CLAR AM PUTUT, PENTRU EVENTUALE SUGESTII / TESTE / EXPLICATII NU EZITATI SA POSTATI.


sper sa ai timp DOMNULE SOKERU' sa aplici valoarea corecta la acest spell / talent.
MULTUMESC.


TEST CU ALTE VALORI LA SPELL POWER

FARA TALENTUL https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51482 (wowhead link)



AVG.DAMAGE = 20033 CRIT DAMAGE


CU TALENTUL https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51482 (wowhead link) 24% CRIT DAMAGE MARIT



AVG.DAMAGE = 21962 CRIT DAMAGE

AR FI TREBUIT 230033 + 24% = 24840.92 CRIT DAMAGE

iar diferenta intre valoarea corecta care ar fi trebuit si ce damage face de aproape 3k (mai exact 2878.92)

TALENTUL : https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51482 (wowhead link)
IN LOC DE 24% CRITICAL STRIKE DAMAGE ADAUGA DOAR 9%-10% CRIT DAMAGE
DUPA CUM SE POATE VEDEA IN POZELE/TESTELE FACUTE DE MINE.



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Post Posted: 17-01-2012, 12:31:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Post Posted: 17-01-2012, 17:27:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Am facut si eu post cu acest bug acum 2 luni! am mai asteptat o luna jumatate dupa postul initial sa-mi spuna ca totul merge bine la shaman! deci iti urez bafta! am jucat cu shamanul elem timp de 5 ani si acum a trebuit sa ma las pentru ca tot ce inseamna pve il faci in 3 zile maxim iar dupa aceea esti nevoit sa faci si pvp si nu mai suportam sa dau crituri de 13k cu lb!
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Post Posted: 18-01-2012, 09:16:54 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

cateva crituri din patch 4.0.6 multe fara Zerg/Unleash Elements sau Elemental Mastery
nu mai zic ca aceste crituri de 25k-28k sunt date in bg/rated bg pe targeturi cu resil

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sJWlQ0ovthM:



ce se intampla cand iei zergu in bg ?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=L5oeT4UwPnY:




eu pe 0 resil dau crituri de 20-25k va dati seama cat dau pe un player cu 3k-3.5k resil ?
12-15k lava burst la spell penet hard cap 220
la 11k sp cu trinket/back enchant/totem/bufs/flask/food daca prind 18k crit sau 20k fac print screen de bucurie.

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Post Posted: 18-01-2012, 13:26:05 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

eu BGurile le fac fara Insignia.. special pt a putea folosi 2 trinkets cu chance increase la sp...tocmai pt a contracara acest aspect... si la 12,6k sp(trinkets out) 220 spell penetr sa observ ca dmgul lava burst este net inferior dmgului pe care ar trebui sa il dea ...
si nu vreau sa mai mentionez faptul ca overload proc la Lava Burst, nu tine cont de nici un sp increase sau flame shock pe target -



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Post Posted: 19-01-2012, 12:40:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

confirm... de cand s-a bagat cata pe freaks, am jucat elemental. dar am observat si eu aceeasi chestie, foarte rar crit de la flameshok, nu mi se reseteaza aproape deloc lavaburstu-l... asta e una

Si dmg-ul e destul de mic... dak ai prins la 2 v 2 team cu healer, pai nu-l dai jos nici sa te rogi la doamne doamne - De aceea am fost nevoit sa-mi schimb specul

Consider ca nu mai are rost sa postez si eu proofuri cu teste, ca ati primit destule pana akum - sper sa se rezolve treaba asta ca mie dor de elemental si as vrea sa ma intorc la spekul respectiv



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Post Posted: 19-01-2012, 13:09:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

nu prea as fi de acord aici -
la un team de 2v2
shamanul elemental cu mastery stack este totusi destul de bunicel - cu un burst decent



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Post Posted: 19-01-2012, 13:53:01 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

serios, ti se pare ca exista vreo posibilitate pe lumea asta, ca un team cu un shaman elemental, care are un cc destul de slab, ar putea sa pice vreun team de disc-feral/dk/warr, rdrood dk/warr?

iti zic eu, nu, pentru ca nu poti sa pici pe nimeni cu 20k crit lava burst si 4-8k hit light bolt mai ales la hasteul foarte mic pe care il avem in momentul asta

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Post Posted: 19-01-2012, 13:58:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

webberas wrote:
nu prea as fi de acord aici -
la un team de 2v2
shamanul elemental cu mastery stack este totusi destul de bunicel - cu un burst decent


problema este ca nici mastery pe elemental nu merge, dupa cum am demonstrat aici:

http://forum.wow-freakz.com/4.0.6-Shaman-Mastery-Elemental-Overload-t128945.html

dar nici damage-ul la crit lava burst nu este calculat corect dupa cum am demonstrat in acest post

pentru cei care au jucat sau joaca pe retail sau ptr realms fenomenul de elemental burst/damage este unul cunoscut

burst in arena 3s pe targets cu +4.5k resil si peste 2.6k rating (cuvintele sunt de prisos)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uzTsTzw2VFw:


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Post Posted: 19-01-2012, 14:05:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

tin sa va contrazic , pe mai multi, chiar daca o sa imi pun lumea in cap, damage la lightning bolt e de cam 17-18k crit , la mn cel putin, si damageul de la lavaburst difera, dar te descurci cu putina mobilitate.
si facand teste la 18%haste cat pot sa strang din reforge la momentul actual si 10 mastery, acel 0,1 sec la lava burst increase paleste in comparatie cu o sansa mai mare sa dai 2 x lava burst.
Tinand cont ca joc la team de Burst, nu ma bazez sa rezist foarte mult, atat eu cat si partenerul fiind slab echipati, dar cu o pozitionare buna, ceva pillar hugging, si un burst bine plasat acolo la 20 de sec .. poti sa bati teamurile mai sus mentionate.



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Post Posted: 19-01-2012, 14:17:06 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

webberas wrote:
nu prea as fi de acord aici -
la un team de 2v2
shamanul elemental cu mastery stack este totusi destul de bunicel - cu un burst decent



Te contrazic - dak teamul cu heal e ""capabil"" si gearat decent (+2000 resil) nu ai cum sa-l dai jos.

Si oricum parerea mea in PvP la elemental shammy este haste-ul, nu mastery.. deoarece nu ai timp de pierdut stand pe loc, nici macar o secunda.



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eu inca nu am nici un Vicios pe mine - sunt in bloodthirsty si mai am si PvE -

fac cu un Druid Feral care se afla in aceeasi situatie la capitolul gear ... cyclone hex cyclone + un windshear scapat ... face minuni..

la ce gear avem momentan ne descurcam bn pt 5-8 arene pe sapt - nu intentionam sa tragem pt rate pana nu o sa fim full Vicious. ca elemental nu poti sa spui ca nu scoti 50k in 3 sec (lavaburst crit, chain + shock + dmg de la dudu si cyclone ... eu zic ca e de ajuns momentan -



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Twlsted da un edit la topic si copiaza prima parte cu 10% haste de aici http://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-1511501.html?highlight=lava+flows#1511501 si copiaza si dovada si pune-o in primu tau post.

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Groovy wrote:
Twlsted da un edit la topic si copiaza prima parte cu 10% haste de aici http://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-1511501.html?highlight=lava+flows#1511501 si copiaza si dovada si pune-o in primu tau post.


GATA S-A REZOLVAT

ASA CUM AM DONAT PE WOTLK PESTE 10MIL ASA VREAU SA DONEZ SI ACUM SA-MI IAU ARME/TRINKETS PVE
NU POT..........................................
NU POT SA DONEZ CAND VAD CA UNELE DIN SPECURILE / CLASELE PE CARE LE JOC NU MERG (MAI EXACT ANUMITE TALENTE SUNT STRICATE)

SPER DOMNULE SOKERU SA-TI ARUNCI OCHII SI PESTE SHAMAN IN NEXT FIX UPDATE ................
THANKS!



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daaamn... asta nu am sa o inteleg never -


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