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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 16:14:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nvm, o sa faca Doru topics.



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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 16:29:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Tu zici ca 1 hit de-al warrior'ului ar trebui sa fie mai mic decat un tick de la feral ?? - - -

L.E. uite ss de la feral cand faceam leveling la lvl 84 de 25k - http://i47.tinypic.com/11bnqj7.jpg

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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 17:16:18 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

bloodiethink wrote:
Tu zici ca 1 hit de-al warrior'ului ar trebui sa fie mai mic decat un tick de la feral ?? - - -

L.E. uite ss de la feral cand faceam leveling la lvl 84 de 25k - http://i47.tinypic.com/11bnqj7.jpg


Esti terminat aveai buffu ala care iti da 50% dmg increase sau cat dreq iti dau numai posta prostii .

Va adus dovezi prin compararea dmg*ului care a fost pe blizz in 4.0.6a si cel dupa freakz , un gm sau chiar soker daca ar sta o zi si ar repara+testa tot ce zice baiatu asta am ajunge si noi intr-o situatie normala ..

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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 17:24:22 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ylfor wrote:
bloodiethink wrote:
Tu zici ca 1 hit de-al warrior'ului ar trebui sa fie mai mic decat un tick de la feral ?? - - -

L.E. uite ss de la feral cand faceam leveling la lvl 84 de 25k - http://i47.tinypic.com/11bnqj7.jpg


Esti terminat aveai buffu ala care iti da 50% dmg increase sau cat dreq iti dau numai posta prostii .

Va adus dovezi prin compararea dmg*ului care a fost pe blizz in 4.0.6a si cel dupa freakz , un gm sau chiar soker daca ar sta o zi si ar repara+testa tot ce zice baiatu asta am ajunge si noi intr-o situatie normala ..


Tu esti terminat ba, copil analfabet, daca gasesti tu in zona aia vreun buff care-ti da 50% increase damage imi dau eu delete la caracter. In primul rand ala e buff de la un quest - thundermar brew, care te face DRUNK, ratatule.

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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 17:31:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Eu stiu unde este problema -> http://elitistjerks.com/f81/t106913-arms_dps_4_0_cataclysm/p16/#post1861280
Uitati-va cum calculeaza damage-ul:
New MS: (normWD+282)*1.5*(1+0.1(Glyph)+0.15(WA)+0.3(LttS)+0.05(2T11) (Tooltip Says 240% WD with LttS Stacked)
New Slam: (normWD+430)*1.45*(1+0.15(WA)+0.2(ImpSlam)+0.3(LttS))

Varianta in romaneste: War Academy, glyph of mortal strike, lambs to the slaughter, bonusul de t11, improved slam, toate astea sunt aditive pe oficial, iar la noi sunt multiplicative si iau bonus una din cealalta.

Un exemplu cum se calculeaza la noi ms: 150% weapon damage * 1.15(war academy) * 1.3 (lambs to the slaugher) * 1.1 (glyph) = 246.67% weapon damage

Cat ar trebui sa fie? :150% * ( 1+ 0.15 + 0.3 + 0.1) = 232.5%

Proof in legatura cu slam: http://elitistjerks.com/f81/t106913-arms_dps_4_0_cataclysm/p15/#post1847477 (are si screenshot).
@MS: http://elitistjerks.com/f81/t106913-arms_dps_4_0_cataclysm/p16/#post1861448 ....



@tristu de mai sus (bloodiethink)... zici de tick de la feral da arati damage-ul la finisher - I lol'd


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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 17:36:49 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Extraordinar dar de 38 k chimera shot de la hunter pe 44% dmg reduction ce zici sa nu mai vorbim de magu frost care te omoara intr-un shatter. Acum ca a reparat 2h weapon specilaization sa se aplice si la heroic strike si execute ti se pare ca da waru prea tare dar defapt dadea mai putin decat trebuia inainte. Se poate calcula foarte usor fiecare abilitate la warrior pentru ca foarte multe se bazeaza pe weapon damage si mai mult ca sigur daca era vreun spell care dadea mai mult decat trebuia era si bug report pt el. Asa ca du-te si canta la alta masa.
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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 17:42:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Bai Scot, esti cretin sau faci pe prostu ? Tu vezi ca ala pe blizz da in full burst 14k crit ms si eu imi iau aproape 40k ?



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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 17:50:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nerd, imi pare rau sa-ti spun dar video pe care lai pus tu este din 4.1 si nu din 4.0.6.
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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 18:07:19 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Da?

Uite aici warr full pve , nu ajunge pe dummy la dmg de il dati voi de 4k resil.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oy7TLNpM3zc:





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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 18:11:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Bai Scot, esti cretin sau faci pe prostu ? Tu vezi ca ala pe blizz da in full burst 14k crit ms si eu imi iau aproape 40k ?


Nerd, imi pare rau sa iti spun dar tu chiar esti prost.
1. Videoul e facut pe patch 4.1 deci colossus smash nu reduce decat 50 % din armura si cum resto shaman are shield deci vreo 30k armura e o mare diferenta
2. Fata de screenurile care le-ai pus warul ala nu avea battle shout on, landslide proc si celalalt trinket proc pt ca e orc si nici enrage.
3. Nu arata cat attack power are (nu arata ce gear are ce meserii etc)
4. Nu poti sa nerfuesti o clasa doar pe baza unor filmulete de pe youtube decat cu calcule si cu dovezi clare, nu ca ai vazut tu pe nush ce forum ca isi da unu cu parerea despre cum ar trebui sa dea warul
5 Am ajutat la repararea acestei clase asa ca fata de tine stiu ce vorbesc si iti mai spun inca odata canta la alta masa



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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 18:12:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

@bloodiethink

http://i47.tinypic.com/jf99g0.jpg

Dupa ce ca esti prost mai dai si semnale , end of story .




@CosmiNNuKKu cum ti-ai dat seama ca e 4.1 ? Mam uitat la tot video si nu am vazut pe nimeni sa faca Za sau Zg ?

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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 18:43:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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4. Nu poti sa nerfuesti o clasa doar pe baza unor filmulete de pe youtube decat cu calcule si cu dovezi clare, nu ca ai vazut tu pe nush ce forum ca isi da unu cu parerea despre cum ar trebui sa dea warul

http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Maelstrom-Weapon-t143418.html - se poate nerfui si pe baza unui filmulet chillax -
Ceea ce face Honourless aici e ce face el de obicei...post gen "Mi se pare mie ca..."
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Vidul este de pe 4.1 warrul din vid are Rallying Cry pe bara (skillul de deasupra Heroic Strike) -

Patch changes

Patch 4.1.0 (2011-04-26): Added.

Close topic sau change patch ca sa nu mai planga Gladu.






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Normal, exact ceea ce ma asteptam. Toti "lesinatii" care considera ca le-au fost clasele "nerfuite" din cauza reporturilor mele vin si plang.

Voi aveti ochi sa vedeti ca ala da pe dummy cu full procs si full pve gear mai putin decat iau eu pe 40% dmg reduction ?

Si videoul de ziceti ca nush de pe ce patch e. Daca ii scadea doar 50% armura, 15% dmg reduction cat ii ramasese la shaman, voua va reduce 24k dmg? Ca ala da 14k crit si eu primesc 38k. Chiar nu ganditi de nici o culoare cand postati?




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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 19:24:29 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nerd wrote:
Ok inainte de a posta cineva aici, cititi mai atent ce am de zis.

Nu mi se pare normal sa se inchida topicurile cum se inchid in ultima vreme. De ce ? Pai daca noi playerii nu stim sau nu gasim unde e problema, inseamna ca ea nu exista? Cred ca e si datoria voastra , a GMilor sa cautati bugurile, nu doar a playerilor.
Poate noi suntem ratati si nu ne dam seama, iar voi ca GM ar trebuii sa aveti mai multe cunostinte decat noi si sa ne luminati.

Acum vin si "dovezile".

Blizz:

LE:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oy7TLNpM3zc:



Ala abia se apropie pe dummy de dmg pe care il iau eu pe 40% dmg reduction.

Minutul 1:30[/b]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gdykHbviMKA:



Full burst pe shamy cu 3700 resil da max crit 14k.


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Bai fratilor, e ireal dmg de il da warr aici. Dupa cum se vede in ultimul print, de la warr cu gear mi-am luat aproape 40k MS , 20k heroic strike , 28k OvP, 53k execute.

Eu am acelasi resil ca si shamanu din film, excluzand armura din cauza colossului. IRELEVANT!

Cum ziceam si mai sus, nu exista asa ceva, daca nu stim unde e problema, nu inseamna ca vb lumea prostii. Dmg warr pe freakz e cel putin dublu fatza de cum era pe blizz (concluziile le trageti din filmul de pe 4.0.6 si printurile de pe freakz).

Rog sa posteze oameni deschisi la minte, nu toti incuiatii care vin cu replici "Omg te-a batut un warr si faci rage". Nu , nu m-a batut nici un warr, vreau doar sa se rezolve problemele din pvp, pt ca asta nu e pvp cand iti ia cineva 50% HP in stun de 2 sec fara sa isi dea vre1 cd.

PS: Parerea mea de random player este urmatoarea: Atata timp cat warr are dmg increase la fiecare abilitate din 10 locuri diferite, PROBABIL??? acestea se stackeaza total anapoda. (Ex fictiv : 50% din talent x cu 50% din talent y sa dea 100% in loc de 75% => 50% din 50% nu 50% + 50%).


Vrei nerf la warr pe 4.0.6 cu vid pvp din 4.1.x (vidul pvp total irelevant)+vid cu dps pe dummy?
Iti iei dmg prea mult asta am inteles...
Ai facut vreun calcul in care sa demonstrezi ca nu trebuie sa iti iei atata dmg?
Tot ce vad in postul tau e "Parerea mea" (daca tot faci un bug report corect fii macar obiectiv),"Cum ziceam si mai sus, nu exista asa ceva" (/cry) ,"Atata timp cat warr are dmg increase la fiecare abilitate din 10 locuri diferite, PROBABIL??? acestea se stackeaza total anapoda." si niste printuri pe care nu ai cu ce sa le compari => QQ Thread




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Post Posted: 03-10-2012, 19:29:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Defapt e vreo 25 % dmg reduction pt ca shamanu ARE SHIELD si avand 30 k armura impartind la 2 ii ramane 15 k . Tu ai primit 37k cu 0 armura si turbokill are arme t2 deci nu mai vad rostu sa ma contrazic cu tine ca esti pe langa subiect.
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