[Shaman][PVE][Passive][Talent] Echo of the Elements IV

[Erudax]

The last topic was full of BS posts, and Shocker himself said he wouldn't read all 4 pages of drama, so I decided to remake the topic, with all information.
Please refrain yourself from posting bullshit again.

vlayboy wrote:

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=108283&&name=echo-of-the-elements Bug description: Echo of the Elements has a current ICD of 1 second in PvE , the correct global cooldown is 0.1 second , due to this all the specs suffer from massive dps loss making the talent useless in pve at least . Please set it back to 0.1 or remove the ICD untill you find a proper fix because butchering the talent is not a solution ( i tested in raid and im loosing 20k dps on single target ) Proof: Quote: We don’t frequently use tiny ICDs like that, but it solves problems in a few cases. Static Shock and Flametongue have no ICD at all. We mentioned Echo of the Elements having a short ICD before, and yes, it is also 0.1sec http://enhsim.codeplex.com/workitem/9519

Also, Echoes of Weapon Enchants have no ICD.

Erudax wrote:

Tested with Rageless, 320 Lightning Bolt casts (God bless haste buff), and no x3 casts, just double from Echo. As far as I know, each Echo should benefit from Mastery (for example if I have 50%, then there should be a 50% chance for the Echo to Overload.) Now can Overloads echo? Yes, with the basic chance from Echo of the Elements (6%). And yes, it should have a 0.1 ICD instead of 1 second.

This is for Elemental Shamans.
All of these however have downsides (on Elemental), lemme explain what that 0.1 ICD does:
1. Prevents Overloads from overloading themselves, same for echoes.
2. Echoes of Overloads cannot overload.
3. Overloads of Echoes cannot echo.
EXCEPTIONS:
1. Fullmination cannot Echo
2. Lightning Shield cannot Echo.

SOURCES:
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-5126927.html

[Orga]

Skull mentioned this in one of his posts also , that he noticed a huge fall in damage and spell order changed due to the 1 second ICD

So please find a solution to make it 0.1 or remove the icd in PvE , Blizzard set it to 0.1 second for a reason

[Shocker]

I removed the PvP cooldown until I properly implement the 0.x cooldowns

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[Shodan]

Shocker wrote:

I removed the PvP cooldown until I properly implement the 0.x cooldowns

I hope you just mistyped pvp instead of pve ...



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[Orga]

Shodan wrote:

Shocker wrote: I removed the PvP cooldown until I properly implement the 0.x cooldowns I hope you just mistyped pvp instead of pve ...

First of thank you for understanding the issue.

What Shodan said , if you removed the PvP one people will complain again @Shocker , the PvP one is a stable 4 seconds so theres no need to remove it , the issue is from PvE being 1 sec instead of 0.1 , i guess you were tired

[Shocker]

Sorry I got confused, removed the PvE cooldown and left the PvP 4 cooldown like it was before

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[bossutai]

Shocker wrote:

Sorry I got confused, removed the PvE cooldown and left the PvP 4 cooldown like it was before

De ce ai facut 4 secunde in pvp daca el trebuie sa aiba 0.1 secunde ICD ? Din cauza asta talentul ala e useless in pvp https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Shaman-Lightnig-Shield-VS-Echo-of-Elements-t384612.html .

[rockhard]

bossutai wrote:

Shocker wrote: Sorry I got confused, removed the PvE cooldown and left the PvP 4 cooldown like it was before De ce ai facut 4 secunde in pvp daca el trebuie sa aiba 0.1 secunde ICD ? Din cauza asta talentul ala e useless in pvp https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Shaman-Lightnig-Shield-VS-Echo-of-Elements-t384612.html .

in pvp trebuie sa fie 4 sec. http://wow.gamepedia.com/Patch_5.4.0

[NoNameGlad]

Echo are intradevar 4 sec ICD in PvP conform 5.4 patch notes. Problema e ca eu nu inteleg ceva. Unele clase au formule de < 5.4 (adica 5.1, 5.2, 5.3) si altele au formulele de 5.4. Daca e asa, ar fi fairplay sa punem 0.1 ICD la echo ...

Problema mai grava nu e la echo ci la elemental shield. Aparent nimeni nu baga in seama postul https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Shaman-Lightnig-Shield-VS-Echo-of-Elements-t384612.html asa ca ce rost mai are ? Fratilor e asa greu sa dai confirm la un bug ? Aveti dovezi, aveti demo, aveti tot. Ce dureaza atat ?

@ madau . Mai asteptam mult ? Iar nu intelegi bugul ? Vine acum tatashocker si zice ca ne bate wow-ul pe noi dar nu se uita la GM's care .. nu mai zic nimic. Stiti voi mai bine.

[Shocker]

NoNameGlad wrote:

Unele clase au formule de < 5.4 (adica 5.1, 5.2, 5.3)

Nu, nu au, nu mai induce lumea in eroare

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