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Post Posted: 03-10-2011, 11:12:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu stiu daca s-a umblat deja la "cifre" ? dar am testat aseara un pic cu Shay si numelere de la crits nu erau atat de mari (gen cel mai mare crit a fost 21k-23k de pe FB cu Power Torrent si DM:Volcano procs , asta luand in calcul si cei 3.6k Resilience pe care ii are Shay). IL crits din shatter erau undeva la 12-15k.
Este ciudat pentru ca Shay imi spune ca a vazut numere mai mari de la mages cu iteme de 356 epic/blues , si il cred.
Avand in vedere ca in 4.0.6 nu exista gear mai bun fata de ce am eu pe mage si ca specul + stats (am stackat mastery cast se putea ) e pentru burts dmg - max crits ; crituri de ~2.3k pe 3k+ resilience targets nu mi se pare atat de exagerat . Nici macar nu incerc sa compar cu Warrior, Hunter sau Boomking dmg , stim cu totii ce e acolo.

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Post Posted: 03-10-2011, 15:59:16 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu s-a umblat inca, este mai complicat sa scoata doar de la frost mage inca, dar se va face.
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Post Posted: 03-10-2011, 16:17:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Nu s-a umblat inca, este mai complicat sa scoata doar de la frost mage inca, dar se va face.


pai daca tot "se va face" sa se faca ceva si la hunteri si bufnite pt ca nici la ei nu e normal sa dea 40k inseamna.


 
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Post Posted: 03-10-2011, 16:45:37 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Problema cu dmg de la Ice Lance provine in special de la https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=44545 (wowhead link)
de ce ? pt ca se activeaza la fiecare hit si magul are mereu 2x FoF pe el => 20% increase dmg pe ice lance cam tot timpu

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Post Posted: 03-10-2011, 16:53:30 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

+1 Ce a zis Isheep. Cat am testat cu el damageul era normal. 15k icelance de la full vicious nu mi se pare nimic anormal. Totusi la polul opus sunt toate screenshots cu alti mages. Dunno wtf they are doing, dar e cam trist sa te trezesti cu 18k icelance de la mage in reputation gear si 5.9k base SP.
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Post Posted: 03-10-2011, 17:43:46 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

am 3k+ resil pe rogue si un mag care e cat de cat decent ma bate doar dintr-un shatter intr-un diminished df + dmg de la images and pet. nu se poate face fix dupa un video insa se observa clar diferenta intre ce dmg iau aia si ce dmg luam noi pe server de la mag. oricum, la momentul actual mag+randomplayer all the way in arenas.
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Post Posted: 04-10-2011, 11:07:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

w00t wrote:
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Nu s-a umblat inca, este mai complicat sa scoata doar de la frost mage inca, dar se va face.


pai daca tot "se va face" sa se faca ceva si la hunteri si bufnite pt ca nici la ei nu e normal sa dea 40k inseamna.


Nush unde ai vazut u dmg de 40k de la hunter...pentru ca aici pe sv hunterul chiar nu da dmg calumea...da mai slab decat ar trebui sa dea...garantat!...mai ales pve...bufinita nsh...nu ma bag probabil ca mai sunt anumite speluri/talente de fixat...



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Post Posted: 04-10-2011, 11:13:03 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

mi-am luat eu in duel de la azwraithz 36k chimera shot parca, la 3k resil
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Post Posted: 04-10-2011, 12:43:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Tamaie wrote:
Nush unde ai vazut u dmg de 40k de la hunter...pentru ca aici pe sv hunterul chiar nu da dmg calumea...da mai slab decat ar trebui sa dea...garantat!...mai ales pve...bufinita nsh...nu ma bag probabil ca mai sunt anumite speluri/talente de fixat...


Fara suparare dar aici aberezi in ultimul hal. Dupa ce ca ignora toate dmg reductionurile si iti iei numa 30-40k (testat pe 3k resil am luat 41k chimera) , mai si vi sa postezi tampenii facand offtopic in toate topicurile. Inteleg ca ti-ai facut hunter , dar nu e cazul sa te vaiti in fiecare topic, pentru ca merge mai bine decat ar trebuii.
Fiecare vine si plange de clasa pe care o are sau de cea care il bate, deja nu mai poate vedea nimeni nimic folositor in ultimele 10 posturi.
Dupa cum a calculat si Shay , problema este la icelance care da destul de "slab". Daca are cineva ceva inteligent de spus, postati, daca nu , nu.




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Post Posted: 04-10-2011, 18:47:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Asta e exact genul de topic care era pe toate forumurile oficiale dupa lansarea primului expansion, TBC, in care clasele erau schimbate destul de drastic.

Topicul asta e gen "magii dau prea tare, nu trebuie sa dea asa, nerf", dar fara nicio dovada substantiala ca magul ar fi intr-adevar buguit intr-un sens misterios, pozitiv.


Singurul bug ce are legatura cu topicul asta a fost precizat, si anume acela ca Frost mastery trebuie sa dea doar 2% base mastery in loc de 8% cat au toate celelalte clase si specuri, schimbare ce a avut loc in patchul 4.0.6. Noi suntem in 4.0.6a.


In concluzie, asteptati fixul si QQ moar dupa.



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Post Posted: 04-10-2011, 18:52:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sy_ymftqNbw:


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Post Posted: 04-10-2011, 20:07:21 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Din punctul meu de vedere, singura problema reala este cu punctele de mastery pe Frost Mage, in rest, va certati aici inutil.

Propun close topic si asteptam decizia lui Shocker, deja devin aberante si offtopic discutiile astea.


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Post Posted: 04-10-2011, 21:55:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

redred2 wrote:
Random link with random mage criting for huge numbers aka Swifty 2.0


Patch 4.2.0 , toate clips din BGs facute cu +30% damage, exceptand desigur ala in arena cand nu da mai mult de 16k. Need I say more?
La fel de nostim ca ala de il puneau warrs peste tot cu swifty : "Damage is fine, ziceti mersi ca nu dam ca swifty 100k+" -

Come on, you can do better then that...


Edit: Am mai facut niste teste in seara asta. Nu stiu daca s-a schimbat ceva : cu 5.7k SP si proc de trinket 920-> ~6.6k SP . Pe 3823 resil, 17k Frostfire Bolt si 12.5k Icelances.




Sa vedem dupa change din 8 in 2 mastery cum se comporta damageul. Testele facut cu Isheep, el in full vicious : 15k icelance cu de 6 mastery in plus - mi se par ok.
Poate a fost ceva bug cateva zile de la un change si apoi s-a revenit, I dunno.

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Post Posted: 05-10-2011, 09:19:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Shay wrote:
redred2 wrote:
Random link with random mage criting for huge numbers aka Swifty 2.0


Patch 4.2.0 , toate clips din BGs facute cu +30% damage, exceptand desigur ala in arena cand nu da mai mult de 16k. Need I say more?
La fel de nostim ca ala de il puneau warrs peste tot cu swifty : "Damage is fine, ziceti mersi ca nu dam ca swifty 100k+" -

Come on, you can do better then that...


Edit: Am mai facut niste teste in seara asta. Nu stiu daca s-a schimbat ceva : cu 5.7k SP si proc de trinket 920-> ~6.6k SP . Pe 3823 resil, 17k Frostfire Bolt si 12.5k Icelances.




Sa vedem dupa change din 8 in 2 mastery cum se comporta damageul. Testele facut cu Isheep, el in full vicious : 15k icelance cu de 6 mastery in plus - mi se par ok.
Poate a fost ceva bug cateva zile de la un change si apoi s-a revenit, I dunno.

alea ce le-ai pus tu sunt crits..... ar fi culmea la 110k HP gear sa iei sub 10k crits pe procs.....

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Post Posted: 05-10-2011, 09:43:07 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Serjah wrote:

alea ce le-ai pus tu sunt crits..... ar fi culmea la 110k HP gear sa iei sub 10k crits pe procs.....


E o noua formula de calcul al damageului bazata pe hp-ul opononentului sau cum ? Cu cat are mai mult HP cu atat dai mai mult damage?
Si logic ca sunt crits, e icelance - shatter combo? Si in formula de mai sus tot shatter combo consideram. Si tot nu mi-a zis nimeni ce s-a uitat in formula ? Mie cu 6.6k SP imi da 12762 damage pe 0 resil. Eu am 40% damage reduction si nu vad diferenta. Calculul a fost facut cu 8 base mastery.

Sunt curios - poate cineva sa testeze shatter combos prin shield wall, dispersion si barkskin ? Scade damageul?


Different site, same math - al 6-lea post : http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/873963-10-dmg-buff-to-frostbolt....wait-what
Si daca ar putea Shocker sau un GM sa confirme ca spell coefficient la Ice Lance e de 38%

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