[Shaman][PvE][PvP] Earth Shield vs. Improved Shields

[micovig]

RO:
Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=974
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: heal prea mic pe friendly target (acelasi bug de pe 4.0.6 nerezolvat pana in momentul de fata)
Dovada / Proof: http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/93/wowscrnshot011113134036.jpg
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de la 4:50 la 5:04 https://youtube.com/watch?v=4qsERLrW3_o:

se vede clar daca urmariti cu atentie cam cat da earth shieldul...in niciun caz 3700. Am glyph si improve in talente. Daca as juca la Wind Shear spec ce ar mai ramane? 3150 heal pe friendly target? nu mai zic de Healing effects received reduced by 25% in 4.3.4. Mai aruncati o privire va rog peste acest bug, e de prea multa vreme. Cat a fost 4.0.6 am jucat cu el buguit si am facut o varza. Haideti macar in 4.3.4 sa mearga cat de cat

EN:
Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=974
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: heal is too low on friendly targets (same bug from 4.0.6)
Dovada / Proof: http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/93/wowscrnshot011113134036.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2266/wowscrnshot011113134044.jpg
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8239/wowscrnshot011113134917.jpg

from 4:50 to 5:04 https://youtube.com/watch?v=4qsERLrW3_o:

you can see how much earth shield heals...no way does it do 3700. I've got the glyph and talent improvement. If i would play with Wind shear spec what would be left? 3150 heal on a friendly? not to mention the fact that Healing effects received reduced by 25% in 4.3.4. Please take another look at this bug, it has been here for too long. While 4.0.6 was up i played with this bug and did nothing. Please make it work on 4.3.4

[Groovy]

De unde ai luat 1416 base healing?

Break the rules, don't break the law.But *** the law, that's what I always say

[Mr.Faith]

http://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-2689542.html?#2689542
^ Calcule cum am dedus coeficientii.

Are 8803 SH in screenshot, glyph(20%), talente: improved shields(15%), spark of life(6%), specializare: purrification(25%).

asa ca ar fi trebuit sa dea:
[ 1416.5 + 8803 * 0.12996 ] * 1.25 * 1.2 * 1.15 * 1.06 = 4681.94 si el da 3755

@Laanah, topicul ala a fost ca sa se repare alta problema, nu era despre earth shield in sine.

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[soulkreep]

Coeficientul de 28.6% este vechi/incorect :
coeficientii de pe cataclysm :http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t121202-resto_raiding_4_1_updating_4_3_a/#Coefficients
base heal-2124
coeficient-0.1949

DAR aceia sunt coeficienti inainte de nerful de 20% cum ne dam seama ? simplu scadem intai buful de purification (25%) si apoi scadem nerful de 20%
(2124/1.25)/1.2=1416 (exact valoarea pe care o arata mmo)

Facem acelasi lucru si pentru coeficient

(19.49/1.25)/2=12.993% (coeficientul pentru 4.3)


Acum sa vedem cat este la noi:


4895sp--> (1416+4895*0.12993)*1.25=2565 (la noi da 2370) proof
8028sp-->(1416+8028*0.12993)*1.25=3073.8 (la noi da 2980) proof

Da prob cva e putin gresit la base heal sau la coeficient

Posturi unite automat, 26-02-2013, 13:48:58

Am mai testat si se pare ca si improoved shields ar fi buguit marind discrepanta


3631-fara improoved shields
3890-cu improoved shields


ar trebui sa dea 3631*1.15=4175.65

[Requiemnox]

S-a facut nerf la base healing doar din ce-mi amintesc.

Not sure though.

[soulkreep]

Nop .
"Earth Shield healing done by Restoration shaman has been reduced by 20%."
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2356431#shaman

deci si base heal si coeficient pentru a echilibra faptul ca beneficiaza de mastery

[soulkreep]

we are acoounting for the 20% earth shield nerf so the coefficient is 12.99%

From what i found there seems to be a problem with the improoved shields talent ... but i have't done that much testing (the glyph and spark of life work fine from what i've gathered)

[soulkreep]

base healing 1416
and sp coef 0.12996

these are the base heal and coefficients without purification (25%) .

if you multiply bye 1.25 u get the coefficients that you've calculated

[Inanis]

soulkreep wrote:

base healing 1416 and sp coef 0.12996 these are the base heal and coefficients without purification (25%) . if you multiply bye 1.25 u get the coefficients that you've calculated

you do realice that that the EJ values arent includind purification , right?

also.. have you done the math? or your just repeating whatever Mr.Faithy posted?



base healing: 2124 * 0.8 = 1699.2 -> 1699.2 * 0.75 = 1274
coef: 0.1949 * 0.8 = 0.15592 -> 0.15592 * 0.75 = 0.11694

still the values dont match.

PS: i just went over Mr. Faithy's post ... and he got the data from SS posted from someone else .. ill try to get the original source of those.

[soulkreep]

sorry didn't really look at your values . your method of calculation is flawd
it's actually

19.49/1.2=16.241
12.241/1.25=12.993

the values from EJ do include purification. Excluding the fact that you can't even cast earth shield without having the resto tree selected and thus having purification it says there

coefficient cuefficient talented
0.1949 0.2066

0.1949*1.06 (spark of life)=0.2066

if the purification wasn't included the talented coefficient would be 25% higher

[nero]

Bazat strict pe ce a zis Mr.Faith si ce au dedus restul :

Pe un Shaman cu Spell Healing = 11721

- Doar cu Purrification(25%)

( 1416.5 + 11721 * 0.12996 ) * 1.25 = 3674.7 , ingame a dat 3700

- Cu 3/3 Spark of Life(6%)

3674.7 * 1.06 = 3895.18 , ingame a dat 3921

- Cu 3/3 Improved Shields(15%)

3895.2 * 1.15 = 4479.46 , ingame a dat doar 4146 => in loc de 15% primeste bonus doar 5% din 3/3 Improved Shields ( 3895.2 * 1.05 = 4089.94 )

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