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Post Posted: 22-02-2013, 23:01:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Pai da... si in printurile tale luand cele mai mici valori atat cu cat si fara spark of life

21781/17997=1.21 (21%) deci merge ok

Testeaza si tu si daca obtii alte rezultate posteaza aici

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Post Posted: 22-02-2013, 23:08:27 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Si de la 18k pana la 23k cat e? Anyway o sa trebuiasca sa testez fara gear sa am diferente cat mai mici intre max si min heal.



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Post Posted: 22-02-2013, 23:38:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

"I tested for Earth Shield coefficients after the patch, and there are some oddities, maybe someone can help me out here.

I used a spec without Improved Shields but with Nature's Blessing and Spark of Life. It's easy to see that Earth Shield does not gain anything from nature's Blessing (but I didn't expect that anyway). The fun thing is I shielded 5 different targets with 100% HP and the same spell power values, and got 4 different healing values. I tested Earth Shield with 0/0/0 resto spec before and got a base coef of 0.1949 for that.

On a balance druid without any healing talents I got:

Spell Power Healing
129 2278
8535 4015

Which matches pretty much the expected value, base coef * 1.06 from Spark of Life.

On a protection warrior with Field Dressing (+6% healing taken, +20% self healing done) I got:

Spell Power Healing
129 2414
8535 4256

Which again matches base coef * Spark of Life * Field Dressing.

Next test is a holy paladin with Divinity (6% healing done and taken).

Spell Power Healing
129 2559
8535 4512

Again 6% more than the protection warrior. It seems the paladin is able to double dip from Divinity.

The last tests were me and my Earth Elemental.

Spell Power Healing
129 2777
8535 4895

Triple dips from Spark of Life. The full heal on me is base coef * 1.06 Spark of Life (casting Earth Shield) * 1.06 Spark of Life (healing with Earth Shield) * 1.15 Spark of Life (receiving heal). This explains why resto shamans are perceived strong in arenas."-ElitistJerks


http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t121202-resto_raiding_4_1_updating_4_3_a/p6/ Thread #83

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Post Posted: 23-02-2013, 08:59:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deci in principiu earth shiled ar trebui sa fie marit cu 1.06*1.06*1.15=1.29214 deci 29.2% ?

Healing stream totusi ar trebui sa primeasca doar 21.9%

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Post Posted: 23-02-2013, 13:18:30 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deci in concluzie daca da heal 1.06*1.06 pe alti playeri
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Post Posted: 23-02-2013, 13:38:29 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

loloman wrote:
base coef * 1.06 Spark of Life (casting Earth Shield) * 1.06 Spark of Life (healing with Earth Shield)


Cea mai mare tampenie pe care am citito in ultimele 2,3 saptamani - . Earth shield nu da nici un heal atunci cand il castez, de ce ar beneficia de 2x de talent? Si daca ar fi sa beneficieze de 2x de talent, de ce nu ar beneficia de 2x si de ala 15% ? De ce doar de 6%? -

Daca o luam asa, sa dam copy paste ce zice orice random player, iti dau si eu N topicuri gen asta " http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3313062783 " . Daca ala spune ca da 25k pe tick de earth shield, inseamna ca asa e?




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Post Posted: 23-02-2013, 14:08:44 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nerd,tu ai o problema?Ti se pare ca Elitist Jerks is niste randomi ca tine?care 1 nu ai jucat sa vezi cum merge clasa pe official si 2 daca dai cu 1k mai mult heal la GHW imediat e prea mult heal,HEALUL fluctueaza!
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Post Posted: 23-02-2013, 14:11:29 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nerd wrote:
Earth shield nu da nici un heal atunci cand il castez, de ce ar beneficia de 2x de talent? Si daca ar fi sa beneficieze de 2x de talent, de ce nu ar beneficia de 2x si de ala 15% ? De ce doar de 6%?


Explica asta. De ce sa ia bonus de 2x din ala 6% si daca ia de ce sa nu ia de 2x si din 15%.
PS: Da, asta e ideea si eu as putea posta acolo o tampenie, trebuie sa ma crezi pe cuvant? Eu tot caut si nu gasesc tampeniile de le-ai scris mai sus.
PS2: Explica ce ti-am scris mai sus.




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Post Posted: 23-02-2013, 14:26:30 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Uitate aici daca nu ma crezi,dar citeste tot

http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/192392-earth-shield-overpowered/

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Post Posted: 23-02-2013, 14:28:59 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Esti in stare sa citesti ce am scris eu? Sau e cazul sa termin orice discutie cu tine.



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Intelegi ca postul tau e invalid sau nu?
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loloman wrote:
Intelegi ca postul tau e invalid sau nu?


Nah esti cauza pierduta. O sa astept pana sa se uite ceva GM peste topic, nu ai minim de cunostinte si nu se poate discuta cu tine.




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loloman wrote:
Intelegi ca postul tau e invalid sau nu?

Nu inteleg la ce comentati atat, la earth shield se vede clar ca e buguit, poate la celelalte nu, ar trebuii sterse toate posturile sub primul post si trecut la confirmed;
Va bateti atata cu pumnu in piept,si va aparati clasa.Ia un calculator in brate si verifica cat % din posturile care le posteaza asta,eu sau Mr.Faith au fost rejected/false,ca zmei pe forum mai se gasesc cate 2-3 sa contrazica cand apare vreun bug/topic referitor la clasa lor.Din toti astia de comentati la stele verzi,daca 10% au fost in stare sa isi posteze bugurile pozitive,e mult.



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Post Posted: 24-02-2013, 00:12:36 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Azwraithz wrote:
loloman wrote:
Intelegi ca postul tau e invalid sau nu?

Nu inteleg la ce comentati atat, la earth shield se vede clar ca e buguit, poate la celelalte nu, ar trebuii sterse toate posturile sub primul post si trecut la confirmed;
Va bateti atata cu pumnu in piept,si va aparati clasa.Ia un calculator in brate si verifica cat % din posturile care le posteaza asta,eu sau Mr.Faith au fost rejected/false,ca zmei pe forum mai se gasesc cate 2-3 sa contrazica cand apare vreun bug/topic referitor la clasa lor.Din toti astia de comentati la stele verzi,daca 10% au fost in stare sa isi posteze bugurile pozitive,e mult.

Te-ai gandit ca unii preferam sa nu ne batem cu pumnii in piept si cu capul de tastatura (ca voi) pentru a nerfa/bufa o clasa/spec/talent/spell? In orice caz, tu sau oricine altcineva, nu e in masura sa decida daca se inchide un topic sau nu.
Cat despre comentul referitor la site-ul elitistjerks, acolo NIMENI nu fabuleaza. Ca voi nu le intelegeti stilul de a vorbi si de a gandi o chestie, e altceva. Jucati intai pe oficial sa vedeti cum trebuie sa fie totul si abia apoi veniti si faceti aici mare tam-tam ca stiti mai bine decat altul. Na ca si eu vin si spun ca nimic din ce-ati postat voi nu e adevarat si ca sunt vorbe spuse de un om somnoros. Va convine? Nu prea cred. Calmati-va si lasati un GM/Admin sa decida daca e sau nu bug. Aduceti dovezi sa va ateste vorbele si nu mai faceti flame daca vreti sa va fie luat topicul in considerare.
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Hai sa va arat o chestie: (iau in considerare decat printurile de pe blizz)
http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Earth-shield-t109893.html Nerd ar putea confirma veridicitatea printurilor precum si versiunea eventual.
Ce observam: SP 9101, heal dar cu ES: 5794 (damage healed + overheal)
Mai jos a postat si talentele si are si glyph, deci ce afecteaza shield-ul ar fi: Purification (25%), Glyph (20%), Spark of life (6% and 15%), improved shields (15%).

Post-ul lui Shay referitor la ES de aici: http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Earth-Shield-t130431.html
Screenshots fara gear, glyph, talente etc:
http://postimage.org/image/yea884hqf/
http://postimage.org/image/5sciqrmip/
Heal-ul primit este 1792 (damage healed + overheal).
http://postimage.org/image/atp0ch7mt/full/ -> poza asta este numai pt a vedea SP-ul de 132 fara gear, nu ma intereseaza ca are glyph sau etc

Screenshots cu gear, fara talentel, glyph:
http://postimage.org/image/c2mj8yv8z/
http://postimage.org/image/z2s7vbnwh/
SP: 6977, heal observat 2904 (damage healed + overheal)

Facem un sistem simplu stiind modul in care se calculeaza, pt a afla coeficientii la ES, si sa specific ca desi nu are talente puse heal-ul la ES este afectat de purification:

[x + y * 132] * 1.25 = 1792
[x + y * 6977] * 1.25 = 2904

Scot x in fctie de y dintr-o ecuatie, inlocuiesc in cealalta si rezultatul final este: y = 0.12996 (adica 12.996% coeficient), si x = 1416.47(base heal). Valorile nu contin purification.

Afland treaba asta hai sa calculez heal-ul dat in primul post:

[1416.5 + 9101 * 0.12996] * 1.25 (purrification) * 1.2 (glyph) * 1.15 (improved shields) * 1.06 * 1.15 (spark of life) = 5465.6714.
Dupa cum vedem in screenshot da 5794 heal si eu aparent nu am omis nimic.
Sa consideram ca ar lua extra 6% heal din spark of life: 5465.67 * 1.06 = 5793.61 destul de aproape de screenshot nu ?

Concluzie: DA ia de 2 ori bonus la acel 6% din spark of life. Nici eu nu am fost de acord cu treaba asta dar am zis sa testez sa vad daca este adevarat.

PS: sry pt wall of text, trebuia sa demonstrez.


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