[DUPLICATE] [SHAMAN] [Important] [PVP][PVE] Flametongue bug

[ralpo50]

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=8024&&name=flametongue-weapon
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: nu se stackeaza la lava lash(cel putin), ba chiar mai mult , dai mai mult damage fara flametongue....
Dovada / Proof: Cu flametongue: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/526/cuflametongue.jpg/
Fara flametongue : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/805/faraflametongue.jpg/ (note: a 2a poza este de la cel pe care am testat pt ca la mn nu s-a salvat in combat log, daca e nevoie refac )
Flametongue ar trebui sa ofere 40% damage increase la lava lash dmg , dar nu o face .

[BlackWorth]

Already did a post on Lava Lash bug, Groovy said it was fine, I disagree, but I have no proof.

[Whysoimba]

There is a confirmed bug on Flametongue Weapon, maybe it's connected somehow. I also noticed Lava Lash does slightly higher damage without flametongue on weapon.

[Mr.Faith]

Let me show you the formula for Lava Lash, i'd wish to see some math. If you find anything wrong post it.

Damage = bwd * llb * (1.0 + sfs * (sfb + t12-2p) + ftb) * (1.0 + llt + llg + t11-2p) * fdm

bwd - Base weapon damage against a target with no armor
llb - Lava Lash Bonus, this is the default lava lash damage bonus of 2.0
sfs - # of current stacks of Searing Flames
sfb - the searing flames bonus from Improved Lava Lash. Maxed out it is .20
t12-2p - the 2 piece bonus from T12, which is currently an extra 0.05 per searing flame stack
ftb - the bonus if Flametongue weapon is on your off-hand, which is 0.40
llt - the Lava lash damage bonus from Improved Lava Lash. Maxed out, it is 0.30
llg - the bonus from Lava Lash glyph, which is 0.20
t11-2p - the 2 piece bonus from T11, which is 0.10
fdm - the fire damage multiplier, which includes the mastery bonus, elemental precision,
buffs, debuff, etc. These multipliers are always multiplied to each other, and not
done additively.

In 4.3 Improved Lava lash got added to base damage.
Now the formula would be: Damage = bwd * 2.6 * (1.0 + sfs * (sfb + t12-2p) + ftb) * (1.0 + llg + t11-2p) * fdm

And btw, lava lash uses offhand weapon damage, which has a 50% damage penalty, and it's not normalized.
So bwd in your case would be: (weapon_average_average damage + ap / 14 * weapon_speed) * 0.5 ; weapon_average_damage = your weapon damage as shown in the tooltip (min + max)/2.
Either you test with a crappy low level weapon so that damage won't vary that much, or you hit with it at least 20-30 times and compare with the average.

This is like 99% correct, tested on official servers several times and works well enough.

@Ralpo50, cred ca ti s-a buguit lava lash; pt ca in screenshot-ul unde cica ai folosi FT vad ca ai 5 stacks de searing pe target, si coincidenta sau nu, dar dai putin mai mult de jumate fata de cat ai dat in screenshot-ul anterior. Pus ca din cate stiu eu, searing stacks sunt scoase de pe target cand dai Lava Lash.

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[ralpo50]

faith dupa ce am dat lava am vrut sa fac screen la mn in combat log si nu era , pana atunci deja se stackase deja 5 another stacks on the target . pana iam zis sa faca screen si alea alea . se paote reface , incearca si tu si vei vedea dai dmg mai mare fara flametongue......pe blizz dadeam crituri de 60k pe player si aici abia daca dai 20k.... ceva nu e ok oricum ...aa , da si daca ar fi asa cu searing stacks tot nu ar fi ok.... dmgul este increased by 40% cu flametongue( asa ar trebui, ceva tot nu e ok.)

[Mr.Faith]

Din cate am facut un calcul nu merge bonusul de 40% damage de la lava lash daca ai Flametongue pe OH.
http://i50.tinypic.com/2n6brzo.jpg -> damage fara glypg, searing, etc...se vede ap-ul in figura
http://i46.tinypic.com/2i9qhv.jpg -> cu FT, de asemenea fara glyph, searing, etc, same ap

Ca sa calculez: [(5 + 10008 / 14 * 1.5) * 0.5] * 2.6 = 1400 average damage, se vede ca e bine pana aici.
daca ar fi mers ar fi trebuit sa dau 1400 * 1.4 * 1.05 = 2058 damage. 1467 damage cat dau eu este 1400 * 1.05 = 1470.

Trebuie avut grija cand se repara ca din cate am remarcat in formula trebuie sa fie aditiv cu extra damage-ul adus de stackurile de searing.

“No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.”
Not for millions…not for glory…not for fame. For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.

[ralpo50]

Mr.Faith wrote:

Din cate am facut un calcul nu merge bonusul de 40% damage de la lava lash daca ai Flametongue pe OH. http://i50.tinypic.com/2n6brzo.jpg -> damage fara glypg, searing, etc...se vede ap-ul in figura http://i46.tinypic.com/2i9qhv.jpg -> cu FT, de asemenea fara glyph, searing, etc, same ap Ca sa calculez: [(5 + 10008 / 14 * 1.5) * 0.5] * 2.6 = 1400 average damage, se vede ca e bine pana aici. daca ar fi mers ar fi trebuit sa dau 1400 * 1.4 * 1.05 = 2058 damage. 1467 damage cat dau eu este 1400 * 1.05 = 1470. Trebuie avut grija cand se repara ca din cate am remarcat in formula trebuie sa fie aditiv cu extra damage-ul adus de stackurile de searing.

Ce spuneam si eu ......

[ralpo50]

bump , e imposibil sa joci shamy enha fara flametongue care sa mearga ..... joc enha de 5 ani si este foarte frustrant...

[Nemoboyz]

sunt sigur ca asa este, dar ai rabdare sunt atatea de rezolvat.

[Magicqtz]

E o problema generala la Flametongue. Si pt enhacement si pt elemental flametongue nu merge deloc, in momentul de fata e bun decat pt unleash elements in rest il ai degeaba. Sper sa se rezolve curand scade dmg la ambele specuri destul incat sa se simta.

[b0gd4n90]

mie mi se pare ca merge...poate nu creste cat ar trebui dar creste dmg ul

[ralpo50]

NU creste deloc , mai degraba scade....

[Decius]

Inainte de 4.3.4 ilvl 357 scoteam la dummy cam 18-19k dps....
Vine 4.3.4 mi se parea mie ca ceva nu e ok, mi-a scazut dpsul cu 9K, trebuie facut ceva cu Flametoungue, nu putem juca asa

[Flamestalker]

frate nu stiu cum jucati voi ..eu am 362 ilvl .pun wind pe main si flame pe off hand ..am scos 16k la 3 milioane ..dupa care miam adus aminte ca nu am invatat mastery ..am invatat ..si am scos 21k la 3 milioane ..am observat insa ca searing painu da foarte ..multe missuri ..trebuia sa fiu foarte atent cand dadeam cu lava lash deoarece aveam tendinta sa dau mai repde decat pe 4.0.6 .cred ca problema e la toteme nu la bufe

[mickeyoutcast]

Ontopic: Nu scade deloc damage la Lava Lash cand ai Flametongue, am facut eu un topic cu chestia asta deja, cu dovezi clare. Mareste damage de la Lava Lash dar cu foarte putin, in nici un caz cu 40%

Offtopic: Discutii useless, aici e vorba de un bug nu de ce DPS dadeati voi... Si daca vreti sa stiti da damage pe dummy s-a marit cumva, nu stiu cum. Eu scot solo la dummy 19.5k cu 358 ilvl. Ma avantajeaza topoarele alea din trash FL.