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Post Posted: 01-02-2013, 10:17:03 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=78674 (wowhead link)
Descrierea bugului / Bug description:

damage foarte mare, trebuie micsorat cu 20% + recalcularea coeficientilor luati din spell power

MoP Patch 5.0.4 (2012-08-28): Redesigned.
Cataclysm Patch 4.1.0 (2011-04-26): Damage has been reduced by 20%.
Cataclysm Patch 4.0.1a (2010-10-26): The pointer on the Eclipse Bar indicates where it goes to after the next Starsurge.
Cataclysm Patch 4.0.1 (2010-10-12): Added.
sursa:
http://www.wowpedia.org/Starsurge
http://www.wowwiki.com/Starsurge

a fost un bug report mai vechi (facut de honourles) http://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-1650612.html a fost inchis si a ajuns la cosul de gunoi.
conform cu ce vb.astia pe retail intr-un topic mai vechi din 4.2 starsurge ar trebui sa dea cu 8% mai mult ca wrath si acelasi damage precum starfire.
sursa: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2838424088

Dovada / Proof:

8% damage red. din blood presence http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/48263/blood-presence/
6% damage red. din blade barrier http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/49501/blade-barrier/
39.83% damage red. din 4k resil

un total de 53.83% damage reduction am luat starsurge crit 55370




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Post Posted: 01-02-2013, 14:37:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

dupa parerea mea starsurge merge foarte ok si prin asta ma refer ca dmg-ul a fost nerfat fata de 4.0.6 unde iti dau 60 k fara proobleme...
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Post Posted: 01-02-2013, 15:00:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

OFF: A fost nerfat de catre blizz...
ON: Nu am druidu pe balance dar o sa incerc sa-mi fac timp sa testez. Ce ai zis tu pe aici pare ok...posibil sa fie bugged



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Post Posted: 01-02-2013, 17:13:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

pe 53.83 % damage reduction - 55370 damage inseamna ca pe 0 undeva la 120k da druidu balance crit.
vad ca pe server https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=78674 are Spellpower coefficient: 122.8 %

asta inseamna:
(base 1100 + 122.8 % spell power) * 1.1 (specul de balance 10% spell damage) * 1.15 (15% owl form) * 1.x mastery

sa ziceam mastery 30% cu toate ca e cam greu cu gear pvp
si sa ziceam spell power 20k (cu toate ca e imposibil)

1100 + 24560 * 1.1 * 1.15 * 1.3 (mastery) = 42197.87 noncrit / 84395.74 crit

test 2 mastery 30%
spell power 30k (iar imposibil)

1100 + 36840 * 1.1 * 1.15 * 1.3 (mastery) = 62392.33 noncrit / 124784.66 crit


deci druidul ala ori are aproape 30k spell power lejer in bg ori am gresit eu cu ceva la calcule

vreau si eu 30k sp pe druid -



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Post Posted: 01-02-2013, 18:18:30 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

unde ai tu 53% dmg reduction?....si mai mult ca sigur..ai gresit la calcule -...poate intr adevar nu are ala 20% reduction si da tot ca pe 4.0.6 dar in mod sigur nu iti trebuie 30k sp pt o criticala de 50k
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b0gd4n90 wrote:
unde ai tu 53% dmg reduction?....si mai mult ca sigur..ai gresit la calcule -...poate intr adevar nu are ala 20% reduction si da tot ca pe 4.0.6 dar in mod sigur nu iti trebuie 30k sp pt o criticala de 50k


citeste cu atentie si daca ai ceva constructiv de zis fa-o

8% damage red. din blood presence http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/48263/blood-presence/
6% damage red. din blade barrier http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/49501/blade-barrier/
39.83% damage red. din 4k resil

un total de 53.83% damage reduction am luat starsurge crit 55370



referitor la calcule daca ma poti ajuta / verifica sau poti veni cu critici constructive iar te rog fa-o
daca nu ma poti ajuta atunci nu cred ca are rost sa postam doar asa sa ne bagam in seama.



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Post Posted: 01-02-2013, 19:05:46 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

prietene in screen-ul ala al tau nu ai de unde sa stii ca druidul nu avea enchantu cu 30 % din ab ... plus de asta o sa revin cu 2 printuri cu starsurge pe dummy-ul cu 4k resilience .Numai face post aiurea ca ai primit tu 56 k in ab ,intai testeaza in game si apoi vii aici sa te plangi .

Posturi unite automat, 01-02-2013, 19:05:46

Cu eclipsa : http://postimage.org/image/9p67jqdkb/
Fara eclipsa : http://postimage.org/image/b02fiq3ix/
Dummy-ul este cel cu 4k resilience se obs din print

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druidu ala joaca la mastery ca il cunosc....de aceea si dmg ul ala...tu in ss ai 11 el are 18+ -
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Post Posted: 02-02-2013, 23:15:07 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

(base 1100 + 122.8 % spell power) * 1.1 (specul de balance 10% spell damage) * 1.15 (15% owl form) * 1.04 (spell damage in boomkin form talent resto tree) * 1.08 (debuful pe target de la wrath sau starfire talent balance tree) *1.x mastery

stats / spec = http://i.imgur.com/a8Od2cO.jpg

calcule pentru damage minim starsurge atunci cand nu esti in eclipsa si nu beneficiezi de mastery:
( 1100 + 9855.928 ) *1,1 *1,15*1,04*1,08 = 15566.708386944
eu pe recount cel mai putin fara nici un proc am dat 14671 (destul de aproape de calcule)

calcule cand esti in eclipsa si beneficiezi de mastery:
( 1100 + 9855.928 ) *1,1 *1,15*1,04*1,08*1,19 = 18524.38298046336
eu pe recount am dat +22k (diferenta +4k)

o alta problema la mastery
in spellbook am 19% in caracter panel am 9.97 : http://i.imgur.com/mZ6jJBg.jpg
ce damage imi da in realitate http://i.imgur.com/ijFJLiK.jpg si bonusul primit de 44%

deci problema nu este de la spell ci de la mastery.
un druid cu 10k sp daca stakeaza mastery ca nebunul la cat de "bine" merge, lejer poate da crituri de 55k pe 53.83% damage reduction.



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Este posibil sa ia increase dublu din mastery, pt ca starsurge da damage combinat "You fuse the power of the moon and sun, launching a devastating blast of energy at the target". Adica alta problema posibila nu as vedea avand in vedere ca damage-ul fara mastery zici ca este ok.

Ai putea sa mai detaliezi la screenshots ca sa se cunoasca mai bine, gen sa se vada macar 20 casturi de starsurge si sa faci o medie la base damage(pt a calcula average) si vezi ce diferenta e fata de recount tot la average. Daca diferenta depaseste 50-100 deja este ceva in neregula. Pt ca la tine in recount din cauza ca fluctueaza damage-ul din cauza eclipsei nu prea se intelege mare branza


PS: vezi ca damage reduction nu este aditiv, ca altfel ai fi imposibil de omorat de catre un melee de ex, de asemenea vezi ca base damage la starsurge este 1017-1405; chiar in postul facut de Honourless zice.


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Mr.Faith wrote:
Este posibil sa ia increase dublu din mastery, pt ca starsurge da damage combinat "You fuse the power of the moon and sun, launching a devastating blast of energy at the target". Adica alta problema posibila nu as vedea avand in vedere ca damage-ul fara mastery zici ca este ok.

Ai putea sa mai detaliezi la screenshots ca sa se cunoasca mai bine, gen sa se vada macar 20 casturi de starsurge si sa faci o medie la base damage(pt a calcula average) si vezi ce diferenta e fata de recount tot la average. Daca diferenta depaseste 50-100 deja este ceva in neregula. Pt ca la tine in recount din cauza ca fluctueaza damage-ul din cauza eclipsei nu prea se intelege mare branza


PS: vezi ca damage reduction nu este aditiv, ca altfel ai fi imposibil de omorat de catre un melee de ex, de asemenea vezi ca base damage la starsurge este 1017-1405; chiar in postul facut de Honourless zice.


Ciudat.Poti sa ai doar un Eclipse at a time,iar fiecare da increase la un school separat(Nature si Arcane).
Starsurge are si Nature si Arcane,deci este afectate de oricare dintre cele doua procs o data.

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Actualy nu mai jucasem de mult pe druid si am uitat ca Eclipse de fapt are 25% damage increase in solar/lunar, care din cate vad este aditiv cu bonusul din mastery.
In primul rand esti in bg si respectivul poate sa fi avut proc de trinkete, power torrent si buful ala din bg de extra 30% damage.
Nu stau sa fac backtrack la damage ca sunt destul de multe necunoscute...
Also are mai multe care cresc damage-ul pe care il da...este moonfury 10%, Balance of Power 2%, moonkin form 10%, earth and moon 2% si inca 8% increased spell damage, astea toate sunt multiplicative cu bonusul din mastery de 25% base damage increase aditiv cu 16% (base mastery de 8).

Iti sugerez sa incerci un duel cu moonkinu si vezi ce damage da vs omuleti fara resil/cu resil si vezi diferente. Damage-ul l-am testat doar cu moonfury(10%) + cu/fara eclipsa la 11.5 mastery si merge OK pe 0 resil. Daca esti zelos poti continua tu.


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Post Posted: 03-02-2013, 13:29:30 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Eu cred ca e OK, damageul la Starsuge e redus... am dat full buffs si eclipse 33k... ceea ce e ok. aveam totul activat. cred ca sunt puse update-urile de la 4.2 cu reduce dmg by 20%...
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Mengecewakan wrote:
Eu cred ca e OK, damageul la Starsuge e redus... am dat full buffs si eclipse 33k... ceea ce e ok. aveam totul activat. cred ca sunt puse update-urile de la 4.2 cu reduce dmg by 20%...


Întrebare intrebatoare ...cât mastery ai?



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Post Posted: 24-04-2013, 05:24:22 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Damage-ul la spellul in sine e ok, am testat cu 10.000 spell power, spell readerul zice (btw am reparat spell readerul sa arate corect base damages):
Code:

Effect #1   School damage
Value: 1018 to 1404
Damage School: Nature, Arcane
Targets: Enemy
Spellpower coefficient: 122.8 %

Asta inseamna un base damage de ~1211 + 122.8% spell power coefficient
adica: 1211 + 12280 => o medie de 13491

Code:
Spellschar's Starsurge hits Training Dummy for 1 Spellstorm.(13592 Overkill)
Spellschar's Starsurge hits Training Dummy for 1 Spellstorm.(13393 Overkill)
Spellschar's Starsurge hits Training Dummy for 1 Spellstorm.(13528 Overkill)
Spellschar's Starsurge hits Training Dummy for 1 Spellstorm.(13499 Overkill)
Spellschar's Starsurge hits Training Dummy for 1 Spellstorm.(13494 Overkill)
Spellschar's Starsurge hits Training Dummy for 1 Spellstorm.(13597 Overkill)
Spellschar's Starsurge hits Training Dummy for 1 Spellstorm.(13413 Overkill)
Spellschar's Starsurge hits Training Dummy for 1 Spellstorm.(13630 Overkill)
Spellschar's Starsurge hits Training Dummy for 1 Spellstorm.(13588 Overkill)
Spellschar's Starsurge hits Training Dummy for 1 Spellstorm.(13652 Overkill)
Spellschar's Starsurge hits Training Dummy for 1 Spellstorm.(13409 Overkill)


Ori e o problema la vreun talent care mareste aiurea, ori nu ai luat in considerare buffurile pe care putea sa le aibe cel de la care ai screenshot.
Si nu, astea nu sunt dovezi, sa trantesti un screenshot fara sa stii ce buffuri/talente/etc avea.


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