Suggestions on how to bring 3v3 to life

[Shadowy]

If you really want to bring up 3v3 ladder, you need some DRASTIC changes. I`ve played on multiple servers and i know most of the suggestions about boosting 3v3 ladder.

1. Add a vendor with rewards. It's the most common thing and it's suggested already because it makes you play and at the end you get a nice reward too. Lets say 1.8k - some nice transmog items/or some nice on use items like http://www.wowhead.com/item=32566, little items which doesn't affect your gameplay. around 2.2k you can add more serious items, pve wise 378 trinkets or/and mounts. around 2.4k ilvl 397 items/trinkets/tokens. Im pretty sure people wont complain about such an items from 2.4k rating, as a pve player you can get 397 items and even those trinkets quite easily(keep in mind, no heroic items so you only are able to get them via raiding). 5k conquests points per item should be enough.
Right,great idea,free items for wintraders? Not really, high rated teams are watching other teams on the ladder and you can easily spot a wintrading team.With a 30d ban and items removed from the "special vendor", i`m pretty sure people don't want to risk it.

2. Add a rating requirement for cataclysmic set. This might hurt,even the people who are high rated. Make the offset items available from 2s and the main set only from 3s, different rating requirement for each item. Easy idea but it requires to delete the main set from players.

Other suggestions are listed already,i`m not gonna bother with them.


If you think you force people to play 3v3 with these changes ( like the reply from another GM) think twice please, since Cataclysm expansion was out, Blizzard started to make raid bosses harder so it require more teamwork which force you to join a guild and stop pugging (it force you to play the game more and spend more time); There is a vendor with T2 weapons and elite gear by default which force you to play 3s to get that gear so one vendor with such items wouldn't be gamebreaking cuz you are not adding ilvl 416 items or any HC items.

Also, i know how staff members are thinking and i`m sure it's not about "scripting" the vendor, it's more about "why i should change this? people are still donating for T2 weapons" but in the end, a happy community makes the server better.

[Allan]

Nice ideas dude, but i think its will not be realized just cuz shocker doesnt want, after all we must deal with true, donations for shocker more important then community : < Im not sure he reads in general these subjects and posts...

Shocker maybe u answer here please : <

[miress]

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2. Add a rating requirement for cataclysmic set. This might hurt,even the people who are high rated. Make the offset items available from 2s and the main set only from 3s, different rating requirement for each item. Easy idea but it requires to delete the main set from players.

I love this idea Shadovy, I was missing these requirements since i started to play cata. The only way to bring arenas and pvp back, is to add rate requirements, without them it's dead anyway. Becouse peaple dont see point of doin arenas, when you can only do 8games a week and get all gear. And requirements should be back something like it was in Wotlk 2s: Gloves 1500 Rate, Legs 1600 Rate, Chest 1700 Rate, Helm 1950 Rate and Weapon 1800 Rate. Offparts 1650 Rate.
Ofcourse from 3s Sholders 2000 Rate and T2 Wep 2200 Rate...

[nazty]

I agree that 3v3 should be brought to life, but a few things I must say.

2v2 players should not be "punished" in order for 3v3 to happen. The servers aren't highly populated, and many players only do 2v2 with a friend, or cannot find any decent players to team with. I myself cannot even get a 2's team together and I play every class at least above average skill level and have played here, well, I came here with Crysis so you know how long I been here Mofu

Also, something I think Shocker will come up with, is why add additional non-retail related rewards to 3v3 hardcore gamers [since most of the casuals will likely never even enter 3v3, which is majority of the server from what I've seen], while PvE players are stuck with normal stuff.

I think the streaming tournament thing would be a good idea. But the rewards must be fair for all the server, not just the select few of us that live and die PvP. And PvE players [although I hate them <3], and 2v2 players, must not feel that they are 2nd class. What about making all future shoulders and weapons require 3v3 rating such as in WotLK? That will at least get up a bit of an active 1600-2000 rated area.

[beasthuntres]

It seems to me that all of you would like removing/reducing conq points which u can get from 2vs2 no offence but thats crap.Also adding ratiing req for t1 arena gear for which you are forgeting that we are NOT on WoTLK.
Instead of doing all that you could make it simple a win in 3vs3 would give u token or something.Once you have enough tokens you can buy something like mount/transformation item/something like that which WONT remove balance from game.
I dont like idea of giving donation points tbh since everyone will spam 3s get kiril/gurth/best items which they want and eventually after getting them they will most likely quit unless they fall in love with them 3vs3 which is kinda imposible.
You cant really push players from 2vs2 to suddenly start playing 3s.You have to give them a reason to do it and removing/reducing conq which u can gain from 2vs2 or adding 3vs3 rating on t1 cata gear just makes no sense..Like that you are just punishing them cuz they want faster wins and smaller queue time.

Someone said about deleting cata gear from chars so rating req can be added..If this happens im sure that I wont be doing arenas again.reason:its dumb since we are NOT on WoTLK.
I would just have to refarm
Holy/Retribution sets on paladin.
Discipline/Shadow sets on priest.
Resto/Elemental sets on shaman.
Heh i even just started gathering hunter and druid sets.so no tnx lol

Streaming idea.i LOVE it will bring more players more donations more both PvP and PvE content more GMs/Devs for faster server progresion + stable server core to be able to handle even more players without any lag spike/crash etc.
+ You dont have to stream just tournaments..stream every days arenas..random matches even PvE content.This way oyu will attract more players for both PvE and PvP

Thats my opinion now u can choose to ignore it,bash me cuz of it i dont really care i just dont want to be forced to do 3vs3 arenas just so i can get my deleted gear back.

[bordy]

I like most of the ideas promoted here. I completely agree with that mindset issue, in fact I think it's the biggest issue, but it concerns all players, not just those already trying to do 3s. People get bored playing 10 times vs the same team over and over again and those who don't have a team struggle with finding partners (and a reason to play 3s, as Mofu mentioned). First can be solved by more people playing 3s, second is more

So here're some of my ideas:

Add 3s skirmishes. Only 3s, not 2s and reward both winning and losing with honor, while making it more efficient than farming BGs - for example 200 win, 30 loss. Another option would be to awards actual conquest points, 50 for example (so naked people don't try to get all ruthless from this, making games hell for other players). The idea behind it is to get people who are not used to 3s or just don't have other partners meet new people and hopefully form a team and que real 3s. This should be promoted in regular server broadcast, so new people know about it.

Now why they actually should play? Right now we have only one reward at 2.2k rating, that being weapons (and some different colored irrelevant cata gear). Which is quite high for someone making new team and could even put them off from playing ("that one's impossible, no one does 3s duh"). Here I think would be great Shadowy's idea, add rating requirement to some cata items. Even if it's just ONE item, say shoulders would need 3v3 rating of 1800 or even less. This way players can get most of the gear from 2s, missing just one item wouldn't make them feel weak and setting rating requirement fairly low makes it seem achievable (and it should be). To keep everyone motivated to play for less/more rating, vendor with rewards might be the best idea. Add various rewards (pets, mounts, unobtainable transmog items, epic gems, ...) with wide range of 3s rating requirement, for example from 1.5k to 2.4. Now people just trying to get shoulders will get something even if they'll struggle reaching that 1.8k, to make them feel better about themselves.

Lastly, people should just be little nicer towards each other. Just... chill, don't take it too seriously.

And my final thoughts! Despite writing all this, I've lost all my faith in the staff. Therefore I don't think we'll be seeing any of those changes and server's pvp will just keep dying, then maybe there'll be some database error, server'll wipe and some people will work on their chars again, new people will come and pvp will be alive for a little bit longer.


P.S.: fix mmr

[Nevinafreaklol]

I gotta agree with Redyo about everything he said, I will probably cause some anger with what im going to say but Freakz doesnt really care about PVP, they are so focused on PVE, bcuz of that LOTS of skilled PVP people i knew left freakz and they still keep leaving, why? well first of all if you got 2.3k + MMR etc it would take you 2 hours to cap char since you gonna have to wait 5 mins in que to get some random low rated teams. 2nd if you get to fight some high rated team by some case, you gonna face them until some of you starts dodging... As a PVP player and someone who started playing here since cata came i am really disapointed. Im looking at some immportant PVP bug repots and no1 from GM's is answering them for few months.
I really hope more than anything you guys are going to do something about PVP or freakz will simply become PVE server which is not good.
Sorry for bad english, im working on it
Peace

[Shadowy]

any news about the chance to add/change anything that we suggested?

[Zohlomg]

There's a huge ongoing topic here (with replies even from Shocker): https://forum.wow-freakz.com/PvP-event-proporsal-unique-one-t261916.html

Unfortunately, it is in Romania. Can anyone be arsed to fully translate it + Shocker's replies please?

[Shadowy]

Zohlomg wrote:

There's a huge ongoing topic here (with replies even from Shocker): https://forum.wow-freakz.com/PvP-event-proporsal-unique-one-t261916.html Unfortunately, it is in Romania. Can anyone be arsed to fully translate it + Shocker's replies please?

It might be "huge" but not really. I already read that topic and with such an event you won't promote the low level of PvP. I don't see how some real rewards would change the community minds when they already know they won't have a chance. Do you want some proof for what i am saying? After the first PvP Season, people saw who was in top3 (also who are really strong even if they didn't got into top3) and they just dodge the high rated teams from previous season like no tomorrow because they know they can't do anything even if there is a tourney every month with "good" ingame rewards.

We know that some suggestions are really thug for the community, but it's the only way to promote the low level arenas in 3s. I know it's hard to make such decisions like removing cata gear and make it avaiable through 3s rating or limiting conquests cap from 2s etc, but sadly these are the only suggestions which can motivate people to que 3s.

[Macedo931]

Shadowy wrote:

Zohlomg wrote: There's a huge ongoing topic here (with replies even from Shocker): https://forum.wow-freakz.com/PvP-event-proporsal-unique-one-t261916.html Unfortunately, it is in Romania. Can anyone be arsed to fully translate it + Shocker's replies please? It might be "huge" but not really. I already read that topic and with such an event you won't promote the low level of PvP. I don't see how some real rewards would change the community minds when they already know they won't have a chance. Do you want some proof for what i am saying? After the first PvP Season, people saw who was in top3 (also who are really strong even if they didn't got into top3) and they just dodge the high rated teams from previous season like no tomorrow because they know they can't do anything even if there is a tourney every month with "good" ingame rewards. We know that some suggestions are really thug for the community, but it's the only way to promote the low level arenas in 3s. I know it's hard to make such decisions like removing cata gear and make it avaiable through 3s rating or limiting conquests cap from 2s etc, but sadly these are the only suggestions which can motivate people to que 3s.

If people don't want to play 3s, they can chose not to play them and you can't do absolutely nothing to force them to do so. That's what PvP is all about, it's the choice of the people, while PvE can't be done unless the server developers do something about it. Spamming "Que 3s" on global is the best thing you can do to promote 3s.

[Nevinafreaklol]

Ok you ppl got some nice suggestions but i'll try to give my opinion and i really dont care if im going to get hated or punished. As everyone can see some top PVP players from exodus left server, actually most of them ( Hydraftw, bearshift, Bulywyf, Dreadblade, Vanguardy, Titaned, Wsg, Shiroq, Memoralibis, Chronic, Poorguy,Aoen, Funkstar, Goosty, spremiagrumi....) many many more of them. I stoppd playing serious PVP too, bcuz i realised its not about skill that much, its all about classes. First of all you people should take care of spell que thingy, i got perfect MS and GCD is getting bugged as hell. 2nd When someone reports a bug, and gives you everything you need with screenshot or video i dont know why does it take you few months to fix it OR even reply, its okay if that happens with some not that srs bugs, but primary bugs..cmoon! 3rd and probably most annoying thing for PVP players are some classes. Rogues are hilarious in PVP, every 2nd person is playing rogue, and those 15k hemorages on 4.5k+ resil, 25k backstabs/ambushes while they dont take any dmg without poping defensive spells its like they got 10k resil. (and PLEASE dont say " its rogue patch" , iknow they are supposed to be strong but this? everyone who played on retail knows its unreal to hit this much). There are also some other annoying bugs. Some of shamans mana regen, some rogues wound poison reducing much more healing than it should ( few more ppl noticed that ) Also ferals... Nvm i will get attacked by buthurtd ferals if i say smthing about them. Also ferals/rogues, everywhere, in your pocket, in bg, in arena, in coffee, in bank, in AH, on Skype, in bags... Everywhere..while u cant see balance/resto druids, Locks, warriors, non resto shamans. WHy? oh maybe its bcuz skill doesnt matter, rogue will come and faceroll the shit out of you while backpedaling to africa. Also removing Romanian from forum would be best thing you could do, as non romanian i cant read bug reports, cant read some immportant things, so why would some guy who is looking for some good private server (which freakz is if u take care of some things) come and play on freakz since 90% of forum is on RO " Hey i cant understand most of it, i got nothing to do here". I dont know why is it so hard to report bugs on english, even tard like me is trying to do his best and speak english so everyone can understand it, i really doubt there are ppl that cant speak english basics in 2013. Make ppl use english on forums and i bet you will increase population a bit. There are many more srs bugs to state but im afraid its too much for you to swallow, i'll probably get murdered IRL. Hope that one day most of good PVP players will come back and when i check arena spectate NPC i'll see few high rated teams fighting, trying to get in top (Which aint happening right now) and that 2v2 ladder is going to change every few days unlike every few months. So now that i said most of the things that gave me nightmares i can sit and pray that some brained ppl will think about this. Sorry for worst english eu and let the flame start.

This is story about Exodus tho...Just sayin...

[miress]

Freak got the point, not only 3s is dead on exodus, but 2s too. Hight mmr teams not playin anymore, only things you can see is 1.7k (rogue/ mage teams) playin... About forum, there no chance to catch about what gm's or other Romanians are talking about, cuz ofcourse it's Ro server. So international players dont need to understand anything. And ofcourse all that rogue damage seems legit, blizzlike mode. And please dont talk about warriors cuz TBC warriors was doin better damage and was overall better class then they are now here.

Still my english better then Freak's.

[Ratrak]

Well i totally agree with freak pvp is dying i quited freakz some months aggo cuz insane amount of buggs
and especially due to that spell que thing he mentioned
that is so annoying and frustrating to play with when u have to spam ur keys to get a spell off... and also some classes are rly overpowered.. with insane dmg .I have returned back to freakz a week aggo and i find that nothing has changed ppl are leaving exodus and u guys are doing nothing...

[miress]

One of the things why pvp was killed in cataclysm, was removing rating requirements for pvp items. Now you dont need to do anything to get pvp gear. I have played in server with 1.2k population and there pvp was much better cuz even players who not that good in pvp was playing arenas and trying hard to get that rating in 2s or 3s, to atleast buy some off parts or other few items.