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Post Posted: 26-10-2013, 21:14:02 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Tu nu intelegi, dmg-ul nu se pierde. Doar este intarziat putin. Acel 48% dmg din crit-ul nou pur si simplu se adauga la dmg-ul ramas "netickuit" de la deep wounds care e deja pe target, si se aplica un nou dot. Chiar daca primul tick este intarziat, dmg-ul e acelasi. Cel putin asta e varianta pe care o sustine soulkreep, si anume ca deep wounds functioneaza pe acelasi sistem ca si ignite.


Calculati daca este asa: adica daca dmgul se pierde sau este doar intarziat fiindca e posibil sa aiba legatura cu http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Multiple-Dot-Hot-Clipping-Refreshing-t191383.html
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E foarte posibil sa aibe legatura cu http://forum.wow-freakz.com/Multiple-Dot-Hot-Clipping-Refreshing-t191383.html dar dmg-ul este pierdut pt. ca dupa cum se vede in screen urmatorul tick e 4584 cam la fel cat da 2269+2688 ( cele 3 tick-uri adunate 896*3). Deci 2 tickuri de 4 k care sunt pierdute unde sunt?

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Post Posted: 26-10-2013, 21:18:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu iau in considerare "cam la fel", ori e, ori nu e.


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Post Posted: 26-10-2013, 21:33:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

soulkreep wrote:
Ma intristeaza faptul ca unii saraci cu duhul confirma doar in speranta sa le fie bufata cumva clasa fara insa a avea cunostinta de cauza . Ma bucura in schimb ca altii ca tudor chiar gandesc .

" Now, if the proc occurs while the dot is still active, it does not overwrite the previous one. Instead, the duration is reset and damages are pooled, which means the undealt damages from the previous dot adds up with the new damages to deal.

Here is an example with deeps wounds (DW: 48% of weapon damages over 6s, 6 ticks) and a warrior swinging a single weapon that does a constant 100 damages. Deep wounds will cause 48 damages per occurrence.

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0.0: A critical strike is landed: 48 damages are pooled (8 damages per tick). DW now has 6s remaining.
 1.0: DW ticks for 8 damages, 40 damages remaining in the pool.
 2.0: DW ticks for 8 damages, 32 damages remaining in the pool.
[size=18] 3.0: DW ticks for 8 damages, 24 damages remaining in the pool.
 3.5: A critical strike is landed: 48 more damages are pooled. There are now 72 (24+48) damages in the pool (12 damages per tick). DW now has 6s remaining.
 4.5: DW ticks for 12 damages, 60 damages remaining in the pool.[/size]
 5.5: DW ticks for 12 damages, 54 damages remaining in the pool.


Dupa logica ta scott al 3'lea tick de dw trebuia sa aiba loc in secunda 4 pentru ca prin logica ta trebuie sa dea dmg in fiecare secunda .In schimb are loc la 4.5 adica exact la o secunda dupa noul crit .Dar poate si astia dupa simulationcraft sunt niste random noobs si ar trebui sa te credem tot pe tine nu? source


Si ce intelegi tu din asta? Acolo zice ce se intampla si pe freakz adica dmg-ul se aduna si "procul" se reseteaza dar nu zice ca dmg-ul se opreste pentru 2 secunde cum e in screenu meu.

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doru15 wrote:
Nu iau in considerare "cam la fel", ori e, ori nu e.


Pai 2269+2688= 4957 deci mai mult decat am dat eu dar probabil una dintre criticale e calculata dupa 1 sec si de aici dmg-ul mai mic. Oricum pe freakz dmg-ul la deep wounds e 6% din total dmg facut de warr fata de 10% cat era pe retail si simcraft

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Post Posted: 26-10-2013, 21:43:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Sincer e chiar asa greu de inteles ? Tu dai 2 crituri in secunde consecutive .Dai primul crit trebuie sa astepti o secunda pana la urmatorul tick de deep wounds dar inainte sa se intample asta tu mai dai un crit ceea ce inseamna ca trebuie sa mai astepti o secunda pana la urmatorul tick de deep wounds .Conform unei matematici superioare 1+1=2

also doru nu are legatura cu dot clipping si nu se pierde dmg .Conform printului creatorului threadului:

Da primul crit si un tick de deep wounds de 896 (care reprezinta baza)

mai da un crit ceea ce inseamna ca dmg'ul ramas din primul 896*5=4480 se redistribuie pe 6 tickuri si se aduna cu baza (896) adica 4480/6+896=1643 tick

inca un crit si aplicam aceeasi logica 1643*5/6+896=2265 tick

dupa asta da inca 3 crituri ceea ce inseamna ca urmatorul tick va avea 2265*5/6+896+896+896=4576 tick


(micile discrepante intre numerele calculate de mine si numerele aparute in printului lui sunt probabil pt ca nu este 896 si 896 virgula ceva )

also mecanica de dot clipping din cate stiu se aplica doar la spell dots nu si la physical dots


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Post Posted: 26-10-2013, 21:58:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ok asta era pe wowwiki inainte la deep wounds:

wowwiki:
Example) Your average MH weapon damage is 100, meaning Deep Wounds will deal 48
damage with 3 ranks per application.
0 seconds: You land a critical attack. The DW debuff is added with a total of 48
damage and 6 seconds remaining
1 second: Deep Wounds deals 8 damage.
2 seconds: Deep Wounds deals 8 damage.
3 seconds: Deep Wounds deals 8 damage. You land another critical attack. DW duration
is reset to 6 seconds, and the new damage is the remaining damage plus 48,
48-(3*8)+48 = 72.
4 seconds: Deep Wounds deals 12 damage.
5 seconds: Deep Wounds deals 12 damage.
6 seconds: Deep Wounds deals 12 damage.
7 seconds: Deep Wounds deals 12 damage.
8 seconds: Deep Wounds deals 12 damage. You land another critical attack. DW duration
is reset to 6 seconds, and the new damage is the remaining damage plus 48,
72-(5*12)+48 = 60.
"""9-15 seconds: Deep Wounds deals 10 damage. """

Deci dupa cum zic si ei cand dai prima data o criticala deep wounds da dmg dupa o secunda. Dar dupa cum se vede in exemplu la secunda 3 cand dai alta criticala nu mai e iar pauza de 1 sec.
Nu am zis ca nu se aduna bine tick-urile ci ca nu dau dmg cand dai criticale la intervale scurte de timp si dmgul ala pierdut nu il mai primesti inapoi.



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Post Posted: 26-10-2013, 22:32:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

here is dah proof: Click!
i got dem skillz in paint -

bun deci am marcat prin linia neagra existenta unui dot deep wounds, dupa care urmeaza 4 crit-uri succesive intre secundele 33 si 35, marcate prin semnul ala rosu -
mrg acuma vad ca am pus semn si la crit de rend care din cate stiu nu procuie deep wounds. In orice caz, exista alte 3 critical hits din direct damage.
Incepand cu secunda 36, se pot numara 6 tick-uri de deep wounds. Nu mai stau sa calculez daca valoarea acestora este corecta, a facut deja soulkreep asta in postul de mai sus pe exemplul dat de scott.

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@Scott, cu riscul ca imi voi lua warn, dar o meriti -

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@Scott, cu riscul ca imi voi lua warn, dar o meriti -

Dilit la Curtalac ca nu-ti procuie neuroni!


Zohlomg wrote:
Aveam asteptari mai mari de la tine.

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Post Posted: 01-11-2013, 14:44:03 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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De la tine nu are nimeni asteptari. Imi pare rau...

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Din cate vad merge corect.


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