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Post Posted: 14-07-2015, 08:45:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=115768 (wowhead link)
Bug description: Dmg infernal pentru un player cu gear dreadful
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Nu stiu care e problema, e posibil sa ma insel dar dmg e prea mare la deep wounds.
Eu dau 38-40k crit pe un player full dreadful+ ofparts malevolent doar cu un singur hit un random player, cea ce mi se pare aberant. In arena nici nu ma chinui prea mult cu war, pe primul loc la dmg done spell iese deepwounds.

In fine, din ce am vazut http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1300526-Anyone-figure-out-how-the-deep-wounds-glitch-is-happening?p=21190013 formula e urmatoarea:
Deep Wounds deals 24% of AP + 1090 over 15 seconds, is increased as Arms by an additional 100% (5.3 buff)

My AP is 23886 so: (24% of 23364) +1090 = 5607 +1090 = 6697
Cu buful 100% increase in fixul de 5.3 ar trebui sa dau 12.000 aprox per tick - zero rezil dumy bla bla bla


Conform WoWhead din changelog-ul de 5.4 formula e: 1800 ( + 198% AP) si conform tooltip-ului ingame dmg-ul in cazul meu e:
48060 dmg split in 5 ticks la 3 sec (15 sec total) !
9620 dmg per tick + seasoned soldier dmg tre sa fie 12025 aproximativ la atack power-ul meu!


In schimb eu dau: 23k
Eu cred ca voi ati folosit formula de pe wowhead din patch 5.4 dupa care ati adaugat hotfixul din 5.3 de 100% increase !
Ceva de genul 9620*2 = 19240 * arms buff 125% = 24580 per tick
Doar asa ajung sa valoare aproximativ egala cu dmg-ul dat de mine - 23582 !


http://postimg.org/image/s7mo1ydcp/

Cu nici o formula nu am reusit sa ajung la 23k dmg per tick pe zero rezil si nici un caz pe playeri cu gear dreaful !
Nu ma pricep la matematica si chestii de genu. Daca e ceva ce eu nu stiu puteti comenta mai jos !



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Post Posted: 14-07-2015, 16:18:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Exact asta a facut, cum e si corect, e formula de pe 5.4 doar ca pe arms spec da dublu damage cum scrie in patch notes.

MoP Patch 5.4.0 (2013-09-10): Damage has been increased by 65%.
Hotfix (2013-03-12): "Deep Wounds now deals 50% more damage for Protection Warriors."
MoP Patch 5.2.0 (2013-03-05): Damage has been increased by 100% for Arms Warriors.
Hotfix (2012-10-01): "Deep Wounds now does 50% less damage for Protection warriors only."

Dupa cum vezi, acel 100% increase e doar pentru arms spec si nu e integrat in formula aia generala de 198% ap care e valabila pentru toate 3 specurile.
Ce ai gasit tu acolo cu 24% e coeficient de pe 5.0.5, si daca ar fi sa ne luam dupa tine ar trebui ca toate clasele sa aiba coeficiente de 5.0.5
SI inca ceva, cand dai pe dummy-urile alea pvp, iti e marit dmg-ul de pvp power, de-aia nu ti-a iesit cu nici o formula.

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Post Posted: 14-07-2015, 19:09:22 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Formula de 5.4 din changelog nu e updatata cu fixul din 5.3, zic si eu ?
Adica ar trebui sa dau cat scrie in tooltip, din cate am vazut formula e corecta, dar eu dau dublu.
Inca mi se pare aberant ca dupa o arena, most dmg done ability sa fie Deep Wounds.

Am scos pvp power.
My ap: 26632
My dmg acording to formula and tooltip: 54530
198% of 26632 = 52731 + 1800 = 54531

54531/5=10906 per tick (cu formula de 5.4)


Eu dau: 21812 (cu formula de 5.4 si hotfixul de 100% din 5.3 la un loc)


Daca e cum zici tu atunci Deep Wounds da prea putin si nu beneficiaza de buful de arms de 25% psyhical dmg increase de unde rezulta:
54531*100% * 125% (arms buff) = 109062 * 125% (arms buff) = 136327 psyhical dmg (banuiesc ca acel 25% se aplica doar la total, nu la fiecare tick individual)
Daca ma iau dupa tine ajung la valori mult mai mari per tick mai exact la :
136327/5=27265 dmg per tick => deci in concluzie dau prea putin.
Si in pvp o sa ajungem la valori si mai aberante de 50k per tick (40k crit am dat cu formula actuala pe full dreadful + malefolent ofparts) de unde si atatia pro wari in pvp care te pica in 5 sec!
Am mai vazut si recounturi pve la diferiti bosi/dumy si la niciunii Deep Wounds nu iesea asa de sus in Recount, la mine iese locul 3 cam de fiecare data.
In fine, astept parerea unui GM, poate gresesc !



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Post Posted: 15-07-2015, 03:19:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Faza e urmatoarea:
Tu ai formula de baza pt deep wounds (198% * ap) + 1800 pe o durata de 15 sec... aceasta e formula pt toate specurile (prot, arms, fury), la asta adaugi 100% increase din cauza specului arms. Poti sa te duci la dummy sa testezi si vei vedea ca dmg e bun... am facut teste fara iteme pe mine si pe dummy a iesi perfect... ori toti gresim ceva cand calculam formula ori asa trebuie sa dea!

PS Buful de 25% increase dmg nu se aplica pe deep wounds... singurele buffuri din care isi ia increase sunt enrage si procuri de ap/str etc.
Incearca sa pui deep wounds pe un player fara nici un proc si o sa vezi ca dmg nu e chiar atat de mare... problema apare cand ai procuri active... si culmea... matematic criturile de 30 40k pe player sunt corecte... ori e problema de PVP power ori de Resil... cel putin asta e parerea mea




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Post Posted: 15-07-2015, 11:21:59 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

problema e ca va treziti dupa 7 luni si 3 zile, s-a dat fix la deep wounds asa ca nu va mai chinuiti creierasele! Tooltipul nu este updatat cu 100% dmg increase pe arms poate aici va impiedicati si seasoned soldier nu afecteaza deep wounds

https://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-Warrior-Arms-Passive-Deep-Wounds-t364699.html

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Post Posted: 15-07-2015, 16:16:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

OK, daca e asa, my bad, inchideti topicul!


Edit:
Tolltip dmg * 2(arms) = 96120
96120/5=19244

Fara enrage si alte prostii - pana la 24k dmg cat dau eu e diferenta enorma !



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Post Posted: 15-07-2015, 16:45:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Razzer wrote:
OK, daca e asa, my bad, inchideti topicul!


Edit:
Tolltip dmg * 2(arms) = 96120
96120/5=19244

Fara enrage si alte prostii - pana la 24k dmg cat dau eu e diferenta enorma !


Tu nu intelegi ca tooltipu e buguit? Oricum, bine ca ai gasit ca nu e marit de seasoned soldier, o sa fac bug report pt deepwounds, shockwave si dragon roar sa beneficieze de acel dmg increase.

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Scott wrote:
Razzer wrote:
OK, daca e asa, my bad, inchideti topicul!


Edit:
Tolltip dmg * 2(arms) = 96120
96120/5=19244

Fara enrage si alte prostii - pana la 24k dmg cat dau eu e diferenta enorma !


Tu nu intelegi ca tooltipu e buguit? Oricum, bine ca ai gasit ca nu e marit de seasoned soldier, o sa fac bug report pt deepwounds, shockwave si dragon roar sa beneficieze de acel dmg increase.


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Conform WoWhead din changelog-ul de 5.4 formula e: 1800 ( + 198% AP) si conform tooltip-ului ingame dmg-ul in cazul meu e:
48060 dmg split in 5 ticks la 3 sec (15 sec total) !
9620 dmg per tick


96120/2 egal cu 48060 din tooltip
si de la 19k pana la 24k e ceva diferenta zic eu!
Se pare ca tu nu intelegi ca la aceias valoare, exact ca in tooltip, ajung daca imi calculez cu formula ?



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1800+((198*32408)/100)=65967
(65967*2)/5=26386
Exact cat am dat in joc. Nu stiu ce baliverne zici tu pe-aici dar formula merge perfect.

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Post Posted: 15-07-2015, 19:23:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Si eu de ce dau mai mult ?


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Post Posted: 15-07-2015, 20:06:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Razzer wrote:
Si eu de ce dau mai mult ?


Poate ai avut un proc in plus sau ceva fiindca la mine e altcumva:
La 22130 ap dau pe dumy 18244 dmg pe tick , asta inseamna 91230 dmg pe toata durata.
Acum 91230 / 2 = 45615 dmg .. exact cat scrie in tooltipe , unde (/2 = 100% increase dmg din fixu dp 5.2)
Problema e asa. Ori tooltipe e gresit si nu arata increasul de 100% (ceea ce ar fi trebuit sa apara din cauza ca buful a fost implementat intr'un nou patch si nu a fost hot fix), ori tooltipe e gresit ceea ce ar insemna ca Deep Wounds indiferent de spec da de 2 ori mai tare.
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MoP Patch 5.2.0 (2013-03-05): Damage has been increased by 100% for Arms Warriors.


La seasoned soldier problema ar fi ca nu de increase la deep wounds din cauza ca SS se aplica doar spelurilor care necesita o arma (exact cum a explicat si shokerul intr'un post anterior). SS se aplica pe langa coeficientul de dps dp arma. DEEP WOUNDS NU NECESITA NICI O ARMA PT A FI APLICAT!

PS. nu stiu daca intelege cineva explicatia mea dar cam asa e regula... cel putin asta e ceea ce am inteles eu dupa ce am incercat sa aflu formulele exacte -




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Post Posted: 15-07-2015, 20:58:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Formula pentru Deep Wounds este corecta. Nu ar trebui sa beneficieze din Seasoned Soldier, nu va apucati sa faceti report aiurea.

P.S. Daca chiar vreti sa testati in mod corect un spell / o formula, trebuie sa scoateti tot gear-ul de pe voi si sa lasati doar arma (preferabil una cu damage extrem de mic si fara enchant). Altfel spus, ca sa testati cat mai corect, trebuie sa eliminati unii factori precum enchant-urile, proc-urile, damage increase din alte surse (gen PvP Power) - sau cel putin sa nu uitati sa le includeti in calcule.

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