[FIXED] Legendary Meta Gems @ PvP Environments

[Amnezx]

Shocker wrote:

When was the PvP chance decreased? In what patch? Also, any detailed info about "lower proc chance in PvP" ?

As far as i konw, the metas worked just on 5.3 in pvp environments, so since that patch they got a lower proc chance. As you can see im the video that i posted the melee meta had a very low proc chance, so if the melee git that low chance(the melee one got the most ppm) think about the other metas. They should have a reduced procs per min in pvp environments, otherwise they'll unballance pvp more than it is supposed to be.

[badacolyte]

Hello , i dont know about the legendary gems but it makes sense ,blizzard put a downscale on pve items in BGs / Arenas because otherwise it wasnt fair.

There should be downscaling of PvE items (proc rate, recovery rate and proc stats) in Bg's and arenas Wow freakz doesnt seem to have the downscale on the trinkets as well and it should.

[Teni]

Cuz mages playing with tank meta socket for perma 20% dmg reduction in pvp it's legit.

@ Madau i can see you are good at deleting posts and confirm wrong bug reports. What else can u do?

[badacolyte]

It was something that blizzard did because as the game and expansions came , pve trinkets and items got more and more powerful , to the point where it was complete unfair when you used them in arena or BG. The downscale would not happen when in World PvP , and since everyone in MOP had basic resilence , people in PvE gear would often two shot people. You can see videos of that in youtube , specially rogues

you could not have trinkets like this http://www.wowhead.com/item=94532/rune-of-re-origination and this http://www.wowhead.com/item=102292/assurance-of-consequence and go in arena and have a fair fight you just kill everything.


here are the patch notes for the downscaling of PVE gear level :

BATTLEGROUNDS AND ARENAS
All non-gladiator gear in Battlegrounds, Rated Battlegrounds, and Arenas will be scaled down to an item level ceiling of 496.
Grievous Gladiator gear is exempt from this item level ceiling.
The item level ceiling will increase at a rate of 1 item level point per week until it reaches a maximum of 512.


http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/5-4-0
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/9331806[/url]

[Nytrox]

pve gear downscale is already implemented in pvp.
regarding meta gems,the most relevant blue post I found is this:

Quote:

"Meta-gems and Trinkets - All of the PvE Legendary meta-gems, the Unerring Vision of Lei-Shen and Rune of Re-Origination now have a reduced chance to proc against players. We're not crazy about hidden penalties like this, but we don't want PvP players to feel obligated to pursue these raid items in order to stay competitive."

It was posted by ghostcrawler:
http://www.wowhead.com/bluetracker?topic=7923993861

Which is the value of the nerf is unknown,they didn't make it public,but the nerf was applied 100%.

'You look like you PVP. Rune is NOT meant to be a PVP trinket. The proc rate is cut in half at least when fighting other players." - random comment on battle.net forums.

So,my suggestion would be to decrease the proc rates by 50% (it may still not be enough).
I doubt someone will find some numbers even if this topic will stay here for an year.

[NoNameGlad]

Nytrox wrote:

So,my suggestion would be to decrease the proc rates by 50% (it may still not be enough). I doubt someone will find some numbers even if this topic will stay here for an year.

Not enough. If you look at the melee / tank meta gems they just proc 24/7. They are always up and this is retarded.

[Sumoo]

@nytrox No, just no! Tank meta gem has 15 seconds duration and i believe it has 100% proc chance, not sure but iv seen it up almost all the time, so even if you reduce proc chance it is still going to be OP. I don't think some of GM's are aware how much 20% dmg reduction is on a healer like resto shaman or holy paladin. Either disable gems in PvP or buff the hell out of them so everyone has to donate eventually and we will be equal.

[side_fx]

When the players who also have legendary metas ask for disable (including me) you should think twice before you make a pvp competition. All metas offer a huuuuge advantage over the other players who don't purchase them. Is like you add another op talent to your spec when you equip them.

[Evydence]

side_fx wrote:

When the players who also have legendary metas ask for disable (including me) you should think twice before you make a pvp competition. All metas offer a huuuuge advantage over the other players who don't purchase them. Is like you add another op talent to your spec when you equip them.

Greetings,

Still i can't find any informations about the proc in arena...

Off:We know about this "problem" with meta gems, and meta gems will be disabled for tournament, you will find it out, and how it will work.


Have a good time, Evy.




If you gonna hit the king you're better kill the king

[Shadowy]

"But I do believe the meta gem has a reduced chance to activate, but the proc chance is so slim you are better off with a pvp meta gem. For example, when the meta gem was available for about a week, I used it in my pvp gear. But over the course of a 15 minute WSG when farming mid, i got 2 whole procs from it. It took an incredible long time to stack."

Source

So yea, reducing it by 50% is obviously not enough.
If you compare the data:
2 procs in 15 mins on blizz
2 procs per minute on freakz ->> 6.6%
That's a 93% nerf.

Shocker wrote:

When was the PvP chance decreased? In what patch? Also, any detailed info about "lower proc chance in PvP" ?

People already posted videos and proof in the previous posts of this being nerfed in patch 5.3 and that the proc chance was really low for all 3 meta gems. Keep in mind we are in 5.4 patch season @PvP as we skipped one season.
Can we get a fix for this any time soon?

[Daraoss]

meta gems are pain in the a** . starting with the adventages it gives to how much mana it costs to dispell them
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Trinket-Indomitable-Primal-Diamond-t409419.html
and the abnormal procs of these gems ! i tested it in arenas / outside of arenas / while tanking bosses
and it procs very often but the true pain comes from pvp when healers can basicly have that buff 24/7 if they're getting focused (wich is something that must be done you can't tunnle same target forever).
also the dps trinket makes it impossible to dispell any buffs / hots at all !!

[Shocker]

side_fx wrote:

When the players ...ask

Yea right, "players ask" so we should implement custom fixes/nerfs/etc

Please, just stop it with "disable the gems / nerf them" and actually start looking for anything that can give us a clue on how much the proc chance should be lowered in PvP. There were 2-3 posts about this only but nothing concrete.

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[badacolyte]

Shocker wrote:

side_fx wrote: When the players ...ask Yea right, "players ask" so we should implement custom fixes/nerfs/etc Please, just stop it with "disable the gems / nerf them" and actually start looking for anything that can give us a clue on how much the proc chance should be lowered in PvP. There were 2-3 posts about this only but nothing concrete.

they shouldnt work at all , here you go :

Battlegrounds and Arenas

Legendary Metagem effects (Capacitive Primal Diamond, Courageous Primal Diamond, Indomitable Primal Diamond, and Sinister Primal Diamond) should no longer have a chance to activate while in an Arena, Battleground, or Rated Battleground.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/11944164/#dec16


hotfix on dec 16

[Shocker]

badacolyte wrote:

Shocker wrote: side_fx wrote: When the players ...ask Yea right, "players ask" so we should implement custom fixes/nerfs/etc Please, just stop it with "disable the gems / nerf them" and actually start looking for anything that can give us a clue on how much the proc chance should be lowered in PvP. There were 2-3 posts about this only but nothing concrete. they shouldnt work at all , here you go : Battlegrounds and Arenas Legendary Metagem effects (Capacitive Primal Diamond, Courageous Primal Diamond, Indomitable Primal Diamond, and Sinister Primal Diamond) should no longer have a chance to activate while in an Arena, Battleground, or Rated Battleground. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/11944164/#dec16 hotfix on dec 16

Those are 5.4 fixes, we already discussed about this, we're in phase 2 content (<5.4), please read our previous discussions

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[badacolyte]

My bad , actually didnt see there was another page , I apologize for that , reading it , the issue remains others pointed out , the gems are too powerful, unfair , and gamebreaking , and thats why they were disabled in retail in the first place. This just discourages people from playing or makes everyone have to get them so there is balance.