[5.4.8] Retribution Paladin Discussion

[Burebysta]

Retribution Paladin Discussion

Here you can talk about anything related to Retribution Paladin in patch 5.4.8.

[Purewolf]

Is this spec good in pve at all?

[tobach]

Purewolf wrote:

Is this spec good in pve at all?

Definitely. Especially when you've gotten the legendary cloak and the SoO tier-pieces; the spec becomes very fun to play in Heroic raids, while being able to deal heavy burst damage. (Highest burst damage in the expansion?)

I personally prefer to play ret, because I like being melee (mobile) while having a huge variety of defensive cooldowns which can benefit and save your raid at numerous encounters (lay on hands, devotion aura etc.).

If you're a confident player, you can be the leading/carrying force of the raid. Especially because of the way raids are designed in MoP.

[Daeron]

Greetings,
In single target dps the retribution specialization is doing ok having a huge burst potential, but is not at the top of the dps rankings.The Retribution Paladins bring many useful buffs and abilities, which a raid leader cannot really overlook.
Hope this helped, cheers Daeron

[Magnus06]

Hi,

I need to get some freakz protips there, my retribution spec is not that good if not terrible compared to my lock, i know there is some bug but the gap is too big.



edit : SoB fix fell upon us. Above is prefix stats, below postfix.



Without the trueshot aura i have 60.1% melee haste and the CS cd remains 3.05, but i don't even know if this is normal. Shouldn't we get 3s cd on CS when we hit 50% melee haste or is this related to general haste bug from gear beeing multiplicative instead of additive ?

[ismael1370]

Magnus06 wrote:

Hi, I need to get some freakz protips there, my retribution spec is not that good if not terrible compared to my lock, i know there is some bug but the gap is too big. edit : SoB fix fell upon us. Above is prefix stats, below postfix. Without the trueshot aura i have 60.1% melee haste and the CS cd remains 3.05, but i don't even know if this is normal. Shouldn't we get 3s cd on CS when we hit 50% melee haste or is this related to general haste bug from gear beeing multiplicative instead of additive ?

hi
retri paladin is not strong enough now, i didn't tested it after recent fixes, but before these fixes i used Holy avenger for better burst... but now with Hammer of wrath fix, i think retri will deal better damage with sanctified wrath...
i also don't recommend spark of zandalar... because it procs when you don't need it. ji-kun and nourshen trinkets will do much better...
with tot hc items you could reach 600K DPS in burst in some situations, but now you have forget tot 4pc bonus, and stick SOO Bis items... galakras trinket is awsome...

i will add some notes...
1- you will never need haste to be more than 50% pure (about 21000 points), also with SOO 4pc people say 17000 is enough
2- i really recommend 2 quick Proc trinkets for better burst, all retri has is it's burst... also engineering and tailoring will always help a better burst..with evil eye of galakras we will have 30-50% burst avenging wrath uptime... work good with sanctified wrath
3- if you mouseover at your haste in character sheet, you will see another smaller number in tooltip, that number affects Sanctity of battle...

i didn't found any better guide than Mop-veins.tk guide, but that guide is base on 4pc SOO + Galakras trinket, so it may not work good for you now

about Sanctity of Battle recent fix
i am really sorry about sanctity of battle, but that bug has 2 problems for retri...
1-this bug made holy and prot much more stronger than other classes, so when we say retri is weak other people would say "play holy or protection, don't expect your class have 3 awseome talents"
2- in some special situations, you could reach high bursts... so nobody would believe retri has terrible bugs...


if you had 4pc tot, with BL, you could spam Crusader>templar... so with 2 trinket proc, Engineering, tailoring, and full raid DPs cooldown, you could reach awesome Bursts... i myself without tailoring and engineering and with a il530 weapon once reached 500K burst... but these things will never happen again in SOO...

[Snoppy]

just remain with 50% haste until you get 4p after that lower your haste. (Don't play 2P pally if you got that gear from lfr, it's a bad 2P bonus and try to get the non-tier items from normal difficulty 2P SOO< 4P TOT HC). >)
burst is nothing this expansion, if you play at burst on the paladin you will be much useless than a pally that plays sustain style. I tried my best to get a rotation/playstyle but i couldn't do nothing, it's just a bad expansion for rets.


,,Angel Among demons"

[Magnus06]

Didn't know about the pure haste in the tooltip, it makes sense ! And yeah i toss my LFR legs away, that 2p bonus it a bit weak even though i didn't have much better legs (have horridon's and durumu's legs, picked durumu's for expertise).

I always played both my prot and ret spec while aiming 17k haste breakpoint so i won't feel as much change as others i guess. Right now the maximum pure haste i can pull without changing my gems and sacrifiying their slot bonuses is ~20k but if i do i'd lost my expertise cap straight away and it would cost too much mastery to get it back but i may try it out. It's really hard to play a class without knowing much of it and without tools such as simcraft or AMR.

Hopefully ret is not my main spec, i just use it on occasions like Immerseus that can be done with only one tank but when both specs deals the same amount of DPS i just feel like it's not worth to switch. If it wasn't for avenger's shield beeing bugged in PVE i would probably not switch with the current state of my ret spec.

Thanks for the help, a lot clearer now. You did good at reporting that bug, it's better to have a hard time playing a class with nicely working mechanics rather than tryharding a glitched optimization.

[Snoppy]

Still there's something that misses to the paladins and i don't know what..


,,Angel Among demons"

[ismael1370]

I also should add that your expertise may be capped at 850 points with current bugs, and I also recommend using glyph of inquisition, you will love it when you use it once

I recently found a discussion avbout retri that people said HOW has much bigger crits than templar's verdict, so with recent fix, evil eye of galakras and sanctified wrath something may change...

[Snoppy]

we need ,,a zohl" who fixed elemental shammy an expansion before.


,,Angel Among demons"

[alinho]

Salut Tot Eu am ramas best #Akyzor !!!

[Fatalid]

Which talent is better for soo Holy Avenger or the Avenging wrath ?

https://armory.freakz.ro/character/genesis/fatalid

[Snoppy]

Avenging Wrath clearly


,,Angel Among demons"

[ORANGEB]

Some tips , to do more dps in raids , im 560 ilvl .

 

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