[Maw Of Souls] Health Calculation bug

MrYigal · Last edited by MrYigal on 14-05-2020, 01:28:58; edited 5 times in total

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MoS Heroic on Blizzard 7.3.5:

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MoS M15 on Blizzard 7.3.5:

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MoS M16 on Blizzard 7.3.5:

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Demonvampire · Posted: 14-05-2020, 11:12:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Interesting find, this should be clarified faster because it's a big difference in high keys tho.

gaarn · Posted: 14-05-2020, 13:56:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Well, I personally dont think this requires any changes, due to the fact that we can get 985 items, and 991 full Donor gear. If everything was scaled like retail, then the challenge would very quickly be removed.

zeus157 · Posted: 14-05-2020, 14:23:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

gaarn wrote:

Well, I personally dont think this requires any changes, due to the fact that we can get 985 items, and 991 full Donor gear. If everything was scaled like retail, then the challenge would very quickly be removed.

Do keep in mind that not every single person on this server donates for gear. This becomes a problem for normal people. These kinds of overtunings prevent average players who have the appropriate gear from doing higher level keys.

gaarn · Posted: 14-05-2020, 14:29:24 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

I completely understand that

I dont mean to ruin the legion experience for those without donation gear. Do you have the health numbers for 20-25 keys on freakz, compared to blizzlike?

Demonvampire · Posted: 14-05-2020, 15:55:16 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Gaarn, if everythings wants to go blizzlike that should surely be a fix.

mamadnica · Posted: 14-05-2020, 16:38:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

gaarn wrote:

Well, I personally dont think this requires any changes, due to the fact that we can get 985 items, and 991 full Donor gear. If everything was scaled like retail, then the challenge would very quickly be removed.

there are videos of retail which a 970ish player manages to +2 a HoV 27 dung but thats hardly doable on freakz with full donated group on forti week

gaarn · Last edited by gaarn on 14-05-2020, 16:51:44; edited 1 time in total

Yet they basically do the same DPS as donated people do on freakz

And its not because of the amount of health the mobs have in the different dungeons, its because you cant kite them on Freakz, as you could in retail.

MrYigal · Posted: 14-05-2020, 17:12:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Please stop with unnessery spam unrelated with that report. If you think there is some other bugs that you can proof make an report instead of commenting it there.

Demonvampire · Posted: 26-05-2020, 14:52:19 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Any news on this post?

VoidToilet · Last edited by VoidToilet on 05-07-2020, 10:49:20; edited 1 time in total

As there were also other topics about Higher HP of mobs inside dungeons (like for Kharazan there are confirmed posts), any new info and updates on this topic?
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/The-Arcway-Incorrect-Boss-Hp-Scaling-t584747.html and another post like this here with scaling being too High on the server

zarathos · Last edited by zarathos on 22-07-2020, 05:02:36; edited 2 times in total

If you can make a excel sheet like this for dungeons with issues. I can use for fix the HP in mythic. Could you add the excel link file and the units in Hp points, because i dnk if they use Billions or M or K

MrYigal · Posted: 25-07-2020, 21:05:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Yes i can do that if you give me some rights so i can do it faster otherwise no.

Brangspears · Posted: 27-07-2020, 09:03:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Damn, even on retail Harbaron spawns too many pools, can we get a nerf on that? its pain with Tyrannical

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Midius · Posted: 27-07-2020, 10:36:48 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

@zarathos
Ok, I finally managed to find a clean video from which you can deduce that the values in MDT add-on are correct for 7.3.5 season. It is for a +19 Tyrannical key (456% more HP for mobs, 678% more HP for bosses). The unit frames are neat, showing both values and percentages. You can even take a guess for the adds the bosses spawn (Risen Warrior/Servitor/Tentacles etc.).

Here are the base HP values for boss encounters on Mythic 0 (in case they aren't fixed yet):

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Name (Encounter ID) and base HP
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Ymiron, the Fallen King (1502) - 90.276.936
Harbaron (1512) - 88.812.990
Helya (1663) - 789.801.975

For Helya of course I gave the total HP and not how much damage you need to do to end the encounter. To get the values in the video, multiply everything with ~7,783. For the trash mobs on mythic it's easier, take the values from MawofSouls.lua and cross-check them with the values in the video (here I took into account the 456% factor):

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Name (NPC ID) and base HP
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Enslaved Shieldmaiden (102104) - 14.819.297
Seacursed Slaver (97043) - 15.263.877
Cursed Falke (97163) - 2.279.892
Seacursed Soulkeeper (97200) - 19.929.757
Runecarver Slave (102375) - 9.484.355
Waterlogged Soul Guard (99188) - 16.097.111
Seacursed Mistbender (97365) - 11.262.700
Seacursed Swiftblade (98919) - 12.596.403
Shroud Hound (97119) - 4.445.789
Night Watch Mariner (97182) - 22.995.873
The Grimewalker (97185) - 45.991.747
Skeletal Warrior (98973) - 3.419.838
Helarjar Champion (97097) - 19.929.757
Helarjar Mistcaller (99033) - 16.863.640
Skjal (99307) - 44.812.472

If you need approximate values for the boss adds (which should be considered with the same scaling factor as the trash, and not the bosses themselves), I will add them too, I just need some confirmation. Of course, you can check WarcraftLogs, but it might be the case that some adds are just "left behind" before a key is finished and you have no way of knowing if that was the total HP or something else.

What I want to add is, as you can see in the DH's kill of Harbaron, the problem with the boss on freakz is not just the number of shadow pools, but that they just grow too quickly, cover up all the arena and you are left with no room to tank/dps; this way the Servitor add is almost impossible to take down for melee in high keys. Even a +10 on fortified week was a mess to tank.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3ROSy96Ue-g: