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Post Posted: 15-02-2011, 22:31:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

De curand ( nu chiar ) m-am gandit sa pun totusi 3 sokete de spell pen pentru ca am dat intr-o arena 1200 Env crit cu 5 doze si 5 combo. Inainte sa pun sokete m-am gandit totusi sa caut pe net ce zice lumea despre asta pt ca sigur nu am fost primul care s-a gandit.
Dupa niste cercetari am aflat ca Envenom este Nature damage, dar nu tine cont de nature resistance ca alte spells gen poisons ( poisons nu sunt spells dar suna bine ).
Aici 75 nature resist reduce 1k+ din dmg.
Ce am gasit eu pe net:
http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/126200-thoughts-on-envenom2s-and-spell-pen/
De pe la pagina 2 deja se deviaza de la subiect si se vorbeste despre cat de OP este hunteru vs rogue. Who cares.
http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/132628-nature-resist-and-rogues/
http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/126308-envenom-not-affected-by-aotw/
Un titlu de topic de pe forumul blizz care acum s-a mutat si nu mai gasesc topicul, titlul fiind gasit pe google: "World of Warcraft (en) Forums -> Why does Envenom bypass resistance?"

Cam atat am gasit. Cititi si nu mai veniti cu replici de genu "eu m-am jucat cu rogu si ala e nature dmg si ia resist"
Si ceea ce spune pe wowiki cum ca ar fi mitigat este gresit, dovada fiind topicurile de pe Arena Junkies de mai sus.


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Post Posted: 15-02-2011, 23:10:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Bottom line, care-i bugul? Ca le-ai tot invartit dar nu am inteles

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Post Posted: 15-02-2011, 23:30:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

cum se face ma, ca pentru toata lumea envenomu merge bine, dar pentru tine e buguit ? oare toti sunt chiar asa de buti ? si esti prea pro pt noi ?
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Envenom ignores armor completely, much like a spell, and instead causes Nature Damage to the target.
Unlike most other rogue abilities, Envenom is classified as a Nature Spell. Therefore, it will have diminished, or even no effect against mobs with high nature resistance or immunity. Under those conditions, the rogue should use Eviscerate instead.

oricum, uite si ceva interesant, ma intreb oare daca aici pe srv e chiar asa Thinking
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It is possible for Envenom to critically hit its target, causing 2x damage. Its chance to crit is based on your melee crit chance, unlike other poison effects, which are based on your spell crit chance.

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Post Posted: 16-02-2011, 09:16:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deci... singurul lucru care il face pe envenom sa para spell, este faptul ca ignora armura. ATAT.
In rest este physical/melee/ cum vrei tu sa ii zici.
Si, nu ar trb redus de resist.
Aaa, si .. se poate da prin Hand Of Protection de la paladin (pt cei care nu stiu inca).
Si nu incepeti cu tooltipuri de la HoT (immune la physical dmg) , pt ca envenom NU este spell (chiar daca trece prin bula), are doar cateva caracteristici de spell.

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Post Posted: 16-02-2011, 13:41:05 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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cum se face ma, ca pentru toata lumea envenomu merge bine, dar pentru tine e buguit ? oare toti sunt chiar asa de buti ? si esti prea pro pt noi ?
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Envenom ignores armor completely, much like a spell, and instead causes Nature Damage to the target.
Unlike most other rogue abilities, Envenom is classified as a Nature Spell. Therefore, it will have diminished, or even no effect against mobs with high nature resistance or immunity. Under those conditions, the rogue should use Eviscerate instead.

oricum, uite si ceva interesant, ma intreb oare daca aici pe srv e chiar asa Thinking
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It is possible for Envenom to critically hit its target, causing 2x damage. Its chance to crit is based on your melee crit chance, unlike other poison effects, which are based on your spell crit chance.

Iinsane, am venit cu topicuri scrise de playeri de pe blizz si tu imi vi cu un citat outdated de pe un site pe care sunt scrise doar greseli netestate?
Shockere, am scris si bugul... bugul este ca Envenom dmg este redus de nature resist, ceea ce este gresit.
EDIT: Caracteristicile principale REALE ale Envenomului, dupa cum se vede si in acele topicuri sunt:
Este nature dmg, este melee hit, are melee crit chance, trece prin HoP, nu este afectat de nature resistance.


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mam uitat in graba.. nu am stat sa traduc cuvant cu cuvant


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Post Posted: 16-02-2011, 15:03:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

cizma stii engleza??? wowiki e prost si toti stiu asta. pe arenajunkies lumea spune ca NU primesc partial resist... va rog frumos nu mai fiti retard-o si invatati sa cititi. Daca ar mai merge forumul de la blizz v-as arata si de acolo. PLS incercati sa cititi si sa nu mai aberati. inteleg ca nu va plac rogii da nici chiar asa. il rog pe shocker sa posteze dupa ce citeste ce spune lumea pe arena junkies. pe wowiki scrie multe prostii.. si chestii de genul e nature dmg deci e redus.. nu este o informatie testata de cei de la wowiki, e doar ghicita si este gresita.
titlul asta "World of Warcraft (en) Forums -> Why does Envenom bypass resistance?" iti spune ceva?
edit: cautati pe google "envenom bypass resistance" si dati sa se incarce pagina In Cache sa va lamuriti ce spune lumea pe forumul blizzard


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Post Posted: 16-02-2011, 15:15:44 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

http://www.wowhead.com/forums&&topic=128701/shiv-envenom-theory
al 4-lea post(cel mai lung)

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When your talking about the damage it does, envenom acts like a nature spell. The damage it does ignores armor, but can be resisted. When you are talking about the chance to miss, it acts like main hand melee attack, so you need much less hit rating. With high armor pen, evis is currently better, -rapscillion ( ty rap for the info )

searching more info, envenom benefits from melee crit, gets hit based off of the spell cap, and can be resisted. It's a melee reach spell and goes though armor.
no bug here.


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Post Posted: 16-02-2011, 15:24:35 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ba frate.. io vorbesc de oameni care se mira dc nu ia resist si dc da tare pe nature dmg si tu imi dai un post de pe wowhead unde unu a dat copy paste de pe wowiki si face 2 calcule.. am zis sa posteze shocker

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Post Posted: 16-02-2011, 15:31:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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ba frate.. io vorbesc de oameni care se mira dc nu ia resist si dc da tare pe nature dmg si tu imi dai un post de pe wowhead unde unu a dat copy paste de pe wowiki si face 2 calcule.. am zis sa posteze shocker

iar u ce ai facut ? ai dat copy paste dp arenajunkies. esti tare, serios.
dak pe 2 site-uri de specialitate gen wowwiki si wowhead sunt posturi gen "envenom can be resisted" cum poti u sa spui k aia dp arena junkies au dreptate ? unde sincer nu am vazut niciun top rogue in topicul acela sa posteze :/
ps: aratami o greseala pe wowwiki pl0x

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Thankfully, envenom is NOT affected by this from my tests. This attack seems to be based on melee and crits like melee.

http://hydramist.net/blog/mutilate-critspell-piercing-over-hastehit-in-pvp-4-0-4-the-golden-age-of-cataclysm-serennia-sama-making-a-comeback-in-cataclysm/


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ba frate.. io vorbesc de oameni care se mira dc nu ia resist si dc da tare pe nature dmg si tu imi dai un post de pe wowhead unde unu a dat copy paste de pe wowiki si face 2 calcule.. am zis sa posteze shocker

iar u ce ai facut ? ai dat copy paste dp arenajunkies. esti tare, serios.
dak pe 2 site-uri de specialitate gen wowwiki si wowhead sunt posturi gen "envenom can be resisted" cum poti u sa spui k aia dp arena junkies au dreptate ? unde sincer nu am vazut niciun top rogue in topicul acela sa posteze :/
ps: aratami o greseala pe wowwiki pl0x

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Thankfully, envenom is NOT affected by this from my tests. This attack seems to be based on melee and crits like melee.

http://hydramist.net/blog/mutilate-critspell-piercing-over-hastehit-in-pvp-4-0-4-the-golden-age-of-cataclysm-serennia-sama-making-a-comeback-in-cataclysm/
frate.. daca wowiki e site specializat... si pe wowhead nici macar nu s-a discutat despre asta si nu s-au adus argumente ca pe arena junkies. doar s-a mentionat un lucru citit de pe wowiki.
Va rog nu mai postati, wait shocker.


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Post Posted: 16-02-2011, 19:48:09 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1549393583

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SPELL PENETRATION DOES NOT AFFECT ENVENOM. Amarian is wrong (no offense), but Envenom, while technically dealing Poison (aka spell) damage, it functions as a physical cast, meaning no part can be resisted


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gmu asta este de pe blizz?? ca nici nu stia despre ce vorbeste. nu stia ce e motw si nici macar nu ai pus un rogue sa testeze.. daca intrebi pe unu la fel de prost ca tn daca envenom pt ca e nature dmg ia resist normal ca spune da. Te rog frumos cauta un rogue si fa teste nu intrebi aiurea pe cineva care isi da cu presupusu. dovezile mele sunt mult mai bune ca ale tale soz.


 
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Post Posted: 16-02-2011, 20:05:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

am impresia ca voua va lipseste o "doaga" :/ u crezi k omu ala este platit pentru "prostie" ?
adik random player>gm ? ok thanks, esti super.


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