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Post Posted: 25-08-2016, 19:46:05 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Cand o sa se primeasca un raspuns legat de acest topic: https://forum.wow-freakz.com/PvE-downscale-disables-in-PvP-t427521.html ?
A comentat tot server-ul de trinketele PvE in PvP environments si nu au fost in stare sa caute niste amarate de formule / discutii legate de downscale. Intrebarea e, cand se va rezolva problema asta? Sunt foarte multi playeri revoltati din cauza la diverse trinkets ce nu au downscale-ul corect in Arene / Battlegrounds.

Corect, nu avem dovezi exacte pana la cea mai mica sutime, insa valorile propuse de mine la sfarsitul topic-ului sunt destul de exacte si nu pot cauza nici o problema. Sa nu uitam ca pe Retail erau nule, in special proc-urile in arena erau complet nefolositoare din cauza valorilor mici ce le ofereau.

Plus, pe langa asta, ilvl-ul itemelor ce primesc downscale ar trebui sa apara asa:

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Post Posted: 25-08-2016, 19:50:13 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Adevarata problema este cu trinketele pve care iti dau triplu stats fata de trinketul prideful si de asta apar probleme gen 200k starsurge 400k dmg dintr-un killing spree si multe altele
Cea mai buna solutie e sa le faca in asa fel incat sa fie mai slabe decat trinketele prideful





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Post Posted: 25-08-2016, 19:55:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Chiar este o problema importanta. Sunt clase care sunt boostate foarte mult de trinketele astea prapadite. Pve-ul n-are ce cauta in pvp (vedeti pe cineva in arena cu armele din SOO? Nu! Pt ca sunt useless. Exact asa ar trebui sa fie orice item pve).


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Post Posted: 25-08-2016, 20:00:01 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Da trinkete pve inca sunt o problema in arena, uitati-va la sydef/boomboom, sunt cel mai bun exemplu.

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Post Posted: 25-08-2016, 20:47:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

mental^depress wrote:
Cand o sa se primeasca un raspuns legat de acest topic: https://forum.wow-freakz.com/PvE-downscale-disables-in-PvP-t427521.html ?
A comentat tot server-ul de trinketele PvE in PvP environments si nu au fost in stare sa caute niste amarate de formule / discutii legate de downscale. Intrebarea e, cand se va rezolva problema asta? Sunt foarte multi playeri revoltati din cauza la diverse trinkets ce nu au downscale-ul corect in Arene / Battlegrounds.

Corect, nu avem dovezi exacte pana la cea mai mica sutime, insa valorile propuse de mine la sfarsitul topic-ului sunt destul de exacte si nu pot cauza nici o problema. Sa nu uitam ca pe Retail erau nule, in special proc-urile in arena erau complet nefolositoare din cauza valorilor mici ce le ofereau.

Plus, pe langa asta, ilvl-ul itemelor ce primesc downscale ar trebui sa apara asa:


Eu am cataut ore intregi ceva informatii/discutii pe forum/videouri legate de trinketele astea in pvp dar nu am gasit absolut nimic concret si asta pentru ca nimeni nu-s batea capu cu ele pt ca nimeni nu le folosea in arenas.

Ce e nasol e ca majoritatea discutiilor is legate de cum era in sezonu grievous cand itemele pve luau downscale la inceput pana la 496.
Cele mai multe informatii is legate de recovery rate trinkets si ideea generala e ca la 496 dintr-un cd de 1 min luau cam 3-4 sec din el.
Dar cum am mai zis e f aiurea ca nu stim cam cat luau la 540 ilvl - downscale in sezonu prideful.

Informatiile legate de proc sunt aproape inexistente si vagi - gen : ca procuie mai rar sau are ceva downscale.
Tot citind pe forumuri am ramas cu senzatia ca ar trebui sa se comporte ca si trinketele shado pan.
La alea s-a facut ceva hotfix ca in arena sa aiba procu redus la jumatate si durata dublata.
Dar m-am inselat ...
Dupa cum se vede in video-ul urmator :
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Eljj8io8Ac0:


http://www.wowhead.com/item=102292/assurance-of-consequence ii procuie normal - o data la ~2 minute iar procu tine normal - 20 de secunde.
Deci s-ar putea ca procu in sine sa mai ia un downscale dar n-am gasit nici o informatie legata de asta.

Cea mai la subiect discutie legata de asta e :
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1378704-How-do-5-4-PVE-trinkets-get-downscaled-in-PVP

Cel mai bun raspuns pare asta:
Quote:
Lowering Ilevel to 502 in bgs atm
Thoks tail tip 4% amp 7314 str proc
Evil eye 24% cdr 7314 str proc (shockwave 37.4 sec cd)
Core 1.93% chance to cleave 7314 str proc
Don't have skeers

Proc chance and internal cd do not change on tool tips.


In legatura cu trinketu cu recovery rate.
Stie careva daca merge bine?
Daca de ex zice 20% incresed recovery rate... asta nu inseamna ca un cd de 1 min ti-l face de 40 sec
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It's not misleading really. If the trinket said "reduces the cooldown of 6 of your major abilities by x%", it would have done just that, but it doesn't say that, but rather "increases the cooldown recovery rate [...] ".
Either way, to make it clear: imagine normally, 1 second is 1 time unit (TU). However, with recovery rating, 1 second becomes 1+recov_rating_%, or in your case 1s = 1.45TU. This means 1TU = 0.68965s, or <the cooldown that normally recovers within a timeframe of 1 second now recovers in 0.68965 seconds>. Or, in your case, 120TU * 0.6895second/TU = ~82.75 seconds.

Quote:
It's cooldown recovery rate, not cooldown reduction.
It comes to 100(1-(1/1.446)) = ~30.9% CD reduction.
So Sprint is 60secs * 0.691 = 41.46 seconds.





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Post Posted: 25-08-2016, 21:01:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Mai joc pe un alt server de 5.4.8 ( nu dau nume) si acolo au dat disable la trinketele pve in arena si nu se plangea nimeni de face pve ca nu pot juca cu ele in arena




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Post Posted: 25-08-2016, 21:33:16 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

mental^depress wrote:
Cand o sa se primeasca un raspuns legat de acest topic: https://forum.wow-freakz.com/PvE-downscale-disables-in-PvP-t427521.html ?
A comentat tot server-ul de trinketele PvE in PvP environments si nu au fost in stare sa caute niste amarate de formule / discutii legate de downscale. Intrebarea e, cand se va rezolva problema asta? Sunt foarte multi playeri revoltati din cauza la diverse trinkets ce nu au downscale-ul corect in Arene / Battlegrounds.

Corect, nu avem dovezi exacte pana la cea mai mica sutime, insa valorile propuse de mine la sfarsitul topic-ului sunt destul de exacte si nu pot cauza nici o problema. Sa nu uitam ca pe Retail erau nule, in special proc-urile in arena erau complet nefolositoare din cauza valorilor mici ce le ofereau.

Plus, pe langa asta, ilvl-ul itemelor ce primesc downscale ar trebui sa apara asa:

+1 Trinketele pve trebuiesc nerfate, e prea de tot, sunt mai bune decat trinketele prideful, ceea ce nu e normal.



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Post Posted: 25-08-2016, 22:39:37 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Kindredz wrote:
Mai joc pe un alt server de 5.4.8 ( nu dau nume) si acolo au dat disable la trinketele pve in arena si nu se plangea nimeni de face pve ca nu pot juca cu ele in arena

Exact, e solutia cea mai simpla, pve trinkets nu au ce cauta in arene/bg..
S-a dus moda cu iteme pvp+pve de pe timpul wotlk...



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Kindredz wrote:
Adevarata problema este cu trinketele pve care iti dau triplu stats fata de trinketul prideful si de asta apar probleme gen 200k starsurge 400k dmg dintr-un killing spree si multe altele
Cea mai buna solutie e sa le faca in asa fel incat sa fie mai slabe decat trinketele prideful

Cu sau fara trinket tot iei 400k in killing spre daca mai dai si crits



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Post Posted: 26-08-2016, 09:47:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ryangg wrote:
Kindredz wrote:
Adevarata problema este cu trinketele pve care iti dau triplu stats fata de trinketul prideful si de asta apar probleme gen 200k starsurge 400k dmg dintr-un killing spree si multe altele
Cea mai buna solutie e sa le faca in asa fel incat sa fie mai slabe decat trinketele prideful

Cu sau fara trinket tot iei 400k in killing spre daca mai dai si crits

nu e chiar asa, te lasa cam la 60% cu full pvp gear. Trinketele pve n`au ce cauta in pvp, si nu zic doar pe rogue, ci pe toate clasele



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