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Post Posted: 01-10-2011, 00:24:22 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: REZILIENCE
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: nu merge rezil contra spell
Dovada / Proof: nu e nevoie de test,poti sa ai 1000000k rezil tot iei gen 50k+,25k incelance

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Post Posted: 01-10-2011, 00:34:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Problema e icelanceu nu resilu, si io am primit 35k pe 2500 resil.
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starsurge 40k+ bane of doom iara 50k+ pe 2500 rezil.
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Post Posted: 01-10-2011, 00:49:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Confim este ceva ciudat..... 32k frostfire 26k icelance la 3k+ resil? Surprise



PS: Se vede in combat log cum dau 4k mangle, 2k rake iar omu imi da 32k frostfire spell instant - .... inclin sa cred ca e ceva la mag in privinta asta ......




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Post Posted: 01-10-2011, 02:05:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

In legatura cu Icelance...

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1965993115

Some serious math there...

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SimulationCraft 403-29 for World of Warcraft 4.x Live (build level 13329)
Name : Ice Lance (id=30455) [Scaling Spell]
Class : Mage
Resource : 6% Base Mana (1045 mana @85)
Spell Level : 28
Range : 35 yards
GCD : 1.5 seconds
Velocity : 38 yards/sec
Effects :
#1 (id=20036): School Damage: frost (2)
Base Value: 355.93 - 453.923 (160) | Points Per Level: 3.2 | Value Range: 27 | Coefficient: 0.378
#2 (id=85836): Dummy (3)
Base Value: 100
Description : Deals $s1 Frost damage to an enemy target, damage doubled against frozen targets.

Glyph of Ice Lance = 5%
Invocation = 10%
Frost Specialization = 25%
Crit multiplier = 203%
Frozen target multiplier = 200%
Base Mastery (8) = 20%
463% total

(highend_base_damage + (spellpower * arcane_brilliance ) * coefficient) * multipliers

showing my work for completeness:
(454 + (sp * 1.06)* 0.38) * 4.63 = 40,000
454+(sp*1.06)*0.38=8639.31
(sp*1.06)*0.38=8185.31
sp*1.06=21540.29
sp=20321.03

You would need 20321 spell power to get a 40k crit with ice lance.


Cu 10k SP ( nu stiu daca ar putea vreun mage sa ajunga la atata SP in arena ) rezulta in 19.1k icelance critical pe frozen target, nu luam in calcul resil --> ~13k dupa resil. Cred ca lipseste FoF bonus de acolo, dar oricum mages primesc 6 mastery cadou. Nu stiu cum se ajunge la 26k pe 3k resil....
Oricum Spell Power coefficients pe server sunt destul de incurcati. Ori prea mult, ori prea putin..

Edit:
http://www.wowpedia.org/Frost_Specialization

Also, mages primesc la noi pe server 8 points of base mastery ? Un mage sa confirme...
Quote:
Frost Specialization now only grants 2 base points of mastery (instead of 8), reducing all Frost damage to frozen targets by 15% from previous values. However, Frost Specialization now increases base Frostbolt damage by 15%.



5.9k SP base, cu trinketul de 912 SP si procul de intl de pe back pe care le avea ajungea cred pe la 7.5k ( hurricane pe arma, nu power torrent). Eu am 3674 resil (38.59% damage reduction ) - 18.7k ice lance -
Dupa resil reduction, cu calculele de mai sus nu cred ca ar fi tb sa dea mai mult de 8-9k.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=E8sEMm3fhMA:


https://youtube.com/watch?v=WLb7SxfaSbQ:



Al doilea video arata pet damage de 2k ( la noi e 10k ) si 3.8k crit, crituri de icelance de 12.5k, frosbolt de 16.5k, 14.5k frostfire bolt, rof + poly DR etc. La noi damageul e de 2-3 ori mai mare...
Sa-mi explice un mage cum se ajunge la damage dublu ...

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Post Posted: 01-10-2011, 08:55:50 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Shay wrote:
Edit:
http://www.wowpedia.org/Frost_Specialization

Also, mages primesc la noi pe server 8 points of base mastery ? Un mage sa confirme...
Quote:
Frost Specialization now only grants 2 base points of mastery (instead of 8), reducing all Frost damage to frozen targets by 15% from previous values. However, Frost Specialization now increases base Frostbolt damage by 15%.


Confirm si se va fixui foarte repede. Restul..nu ma pricep sa-i zic lu shocker ce si cum.

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Zohlomg wrote:
Shay wrote:
Edit:
http://www.wowpedia.org/Frost_Specialization

Also, mages primesc la noi pe server 8 points of base mastery ? Un mage sa confirme...
Quote:
Frost Specialization now only grants 2 base points of mastery (instead of 8), reducing all Frost damage to frozen targets by 15% from previous values. However, Frost Specialization now increases base Frostbolt damage by 15%.


Confirm si se va fixui foarte repede. Restul..nu ma pricep sa-i zic lu shocker ce si cum.

Daca tot se va uita shoker aici, http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/196/wowscrnshot100111111249.jpg/ Toti magii profita de exploitul acesta si trimite petul prin perete dinainte sa inceapa arena iar cand portile se deschid,te trezesti cu el langa tine.

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Zohlomg wrote:
Shay wrote:
Edit:
http://www.wowpedia.org/Frost_Specialization

Also, mages primesc la noi pe server 8 points of base mastery ? Un mage sa confirme...
Quote:
Frost Specialization now only grants 2 base points of mastery (instead of 8), reducing all Frost damage to frozen targets by 15% from previous values. However, Frost Specialization now increases base Frostbolt damage by 15%.


Confirm si se va fixui foarte repede. Restul..nu ma pricep sa-i zic lu shocker ce si cum.


Well, restul uita-te la al doilea video si compara cu ce damage dau mages pe blizz ( cred ca era 4.0.6 - postat pe youtube la 20 feb, 4.0.6 live in 8 februarie ) si ce damage dau mages nostrii. De la 13k icelance pe blizz la 26k la noi si de la 15k frostfire bolt la 32k la noi e diferenta un pic cam mare. Cel mai probabil, spell coefficient e gresit.

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Post Posted: 02-10-2011, 00:48:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Blinkul buguit, invisibility la fel. de astea cine se ocupa?hai sa nerfuim magu ca asa ni s-a sculat noua, pt ca asta e nerf nu e fix.dc nu va uitati si la dmgu la hunter de exemplu care da 40k pe 3k resil nu 25k.

Bugu cu petu ghici din vina cui e?a celor care nu fixeaza bugul din arena datorita caruia vezi prin porti.

oh si btw pune gearul si dmgul de 40k in aceeasi poza sa vad si eu ca nu ai fost in gear de pve cand ti-ai luat cat ti-ai luat. Eu unul sunt gear-capped la momentu asta si nici nu ma apropii de 30k dmg.

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Post Posted: 02-10-2011, 01:32:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Ok sa o luam pe rand.

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Blinkul buguit, invisibility la fel. de astea cine se ocupa?


Ce treaba are asta cu topicul?

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Hai sa nerfuim magu ca asa ni s-a sculat noua, pt ca asta e nerf nu e fix


Daca tu ar trebuii sa ai 2% base mastery dar ai 8, iar din calcule ar trebuii sa dai dmg mai mic dar dai mai mare, inseamna ca un fix e NERF? Raised eyebrow

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Bugu cu petu ghici din vina cui e?a celor care nu fixeaza bugul din arena datorita caruia vezi prin porti.


De fapt cine esti sa tragi lumea la raspundere? Crezi ca te-ai descurca mai bine daca ai fi in locul lor or what?

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Oh si btw pune gearul si dmgul de 40k in aceeasi poza sa vad si eu ca nu ai fost in gear de pve cand ti-ai luat cat ti-ai luat. Eu unul sunt gear-capped la momentu asta si nici nu ma apropii de 30k dmg.


Eu nu am gear pve, am cumparat ultima piesa pe honor acum 1,2 saptamani si da am 3k resil iar dmg ala l-am luat in arena nu in bgs cu random buffs.




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w00t wrote:
oh si btw pune gearul si dmgul de 40k in aceeasi poza sa vad si eu ca nu ai fost in gear de pve cand ti-ai luat cat ti-ai luat. Eu unul sunt gear-capped la momentu asta si nici nu ma apropii de 30k dmg.


Subscriu , gearul meu e full vicious dar nu am vazut crits de 30k la FB, FfB sau Il cum spuneti voi aici, mai ales pe pvp geared players. Cine vrea sa testeze frost mage dmg pe pielea lui sa imi dea invite in game si vedem.
Big crit numbers sunt subiective , cat resilience avea targetul , avea debuffs (CoE.. etc) ?, ce buffs avea magul in momentul ala (Sp trinkets..)
Majoritatea claselor de dps au crits mari momentan iar frost mage e oarecum situational cand vine vb de crits, daca stati rooted in freeze dispell repede, daca nu - asteptati-va la un crit.

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stau si ma minunez cum va aparati clasa (care este f.op)
a venit omul a postat, a adus dovezi, a facut calcule, au adus si altii dovezi si tot continuati sa qq.

ca sa ajungi sa dai 40k damage cu icelance crit pe 3k resil trebuie sa ai peste 20k sp.... ce este asa de greu de inteles ?

Code:

SimulationCraft 403-29 for World of Warcraft 4.x Live (build level 13329)
Name : Ice Lance (id=30455) [Scaling Spell]
Class : Mage
Resource : 6% Base Mana (1045 mana @85)
Spell Level : 28
Range : 35 yards
GCD : 1.5 seconds
Velocity : 38 yards/sec
Effects :
#1 (id=20036): School Damage: frost (2)
Base Value: 355.93 - 453.923 (160) | Points Per Level: 3.2 | Value Range: 27 | Coefficient: 0.378
#2 (id=85836): Dummy (3)
Base Value: 100
Description : Deals $s1 Frost damage to an enemy target, damage doubled against frozen targets.

Glyph of Ice Lance = 5%
Invocation = 10%
Frost Specialization = 25%
Crit multiplier = 203%
Frozen target multiplier = 200%
Base Mastery (8) = 20%
463% total

(highend_base_damage + (spellpower * arcane_brilliance ) * coefficient) * multipliers

showing my work for completeness:
(454 + (sp * 1.06)* 0.38) * 4.63 = 40,000
454+(sp*1.06)*0.38=8639.31
(sp*1.06)*0.38=8185.31
sp*1.06=21540.29
sp=20321.03

You would need 20321 spell power to get a 40k crit with ice lance.

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Post Posted: 02-10-2011, 13:21:01 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

twlsted wrote:
stau si ma minunez cum va aparati clasa (care este f.op)
a venit omul a postat, a adus dovezi, a facut calcule, au adus si altii dovezi si tot continuati sa qq.

ca sa ajungi sa dai 40k damage cu icelance crit pe 3k resil trebuie sa ai peste 20k sp.... ce este asa de greu de inteles ?

Code:

SimulationCraft 403-29 for World of Warcraft 4.x Live (build level 13329)
Name : Ice Lance (id=30455) [Scaling Spell]
Class : Mage
Resource : 6% Base Mana (1045 mana @85)
Spell Level : 28
Range : 35 yards
GCD : 1.5 seconds
Velocity : 38 yards/sec
Effects :
#1 (id=20036): School Damage: frost (2)
Base Value: 355.93 - 453.923 (160) | Points Per Level: 3.2 | Value Range: 27 | Coefficient: 0.378
#2 (id=85836): Dummy (3)
Base Value: 100
Description : Deals $s1 Frost damage to an enemy target, damage doubled against frozen targets.

Glyph of Ice Lance = 5%
Invocation = 10%
Frost Specialization = 25%
Crit multiplier = 203%
Frozen target multiplier = 200%
Base Mastery (8) = 20%
463% total

(highend_base_damage + (spellpower * arcane_brilliance ) * coefficient) * multipliers

showing my work for completeness:
(454 + (sp * 1.06)* 0.38) * 4.63 = 40,000
454+(sp*1.06)*0.38=8639.31
(sp*1.06)*0.38=8185.31
sp*1.06=21540.29
sp=20321.03

You would need 20321 spell power to get a 40k crit with ice lance.



Tu vb de 40k ? Baietii de mai sus zic ca nu dau nici 30k ... eu am rogue am 2k resilience si nu mi am luat mai mult de 25k de la mag , da eu mai pot sa pun vre o 1500 resilience el deja e cam full , are arma de 359 isi mai poate pune una de 372 sa zicem , deci ajunge sa dea 20 k ... E mult ? Incercati astia de va plangeti de mage sa jucati sa vedeti cum e sa iti iei 40k 40k de la hunter plus 2 3 4 dmg de 2000-5000 intre ele si tu sa nu poti nici sa castezi - , jucati arena acolo se vede cat da magu , nu te iei dupa bg cand ai full buff . Eu pe rogue am 12k atack power si in bg fac si 22k deci sa dai nerf la rogue daca vin cu 22k in bg si tu nu ai bufe si iti dau 3-4 de 35k ? Nu va mai luati dupa bg ... unii au full buff unii debia au murit si nu au nici un buff .





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Post Posted: 02-10-2011, 13:26:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

twlsted wrote:
stau si ma minunez cum va aparati clasa (care este f.op)
a venit omul a postat, a adus dovezi, a facut calcule, au adus si altii dovezi si tot continuati sa qq.

ca sa ajungi sa dai 40k damage cu icelance crit pe 3k resil trebuie sa ai peste 20k sp.... ce este asa de greu de inteles ?



twlsted, asta si incerc sa iti spun , ca nu exista 40k crits la mag , eu in pvp nu am vazut nici 30k crits , doar 20k+.
Am o rugaminte la tine, hai sa nu mai fim ignoranti . Intra te rog pe armory la mine si uita-te la stats "Isheep" ; deseara ma gasesti in joc , da-mi un whisper si facem un duel, mergem la target dummy , unde vrei tu - sa te convingi de FB, FfB si IL damage.

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Post Posted: 02-10-2011, 14:48:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Sheep wrote:
w00t wrote:
oh si btw pune gearul si dmgul de 40k in aceeasi poza sa vad si eu ca nu ai fost in gear de pve cand ti-ai luat cat ti-ai luat. Eu unul sunt gear-capped la momentu asta si nici nu ma apropii de 30k dmg.


Subscriu , gearul meu e full vicious dar nu am vazut crits de 30k la FB, FfB sau Il cum spuneti voi aici, mai ales pe pvp geared players. Cine vrea sa testeze frost mage dmg pe pielea lui sa imi dea invite in game si vedem.
Big crit numbers sunt subiective , cat resilience avea targetul , avea debuffs (CoE.. etc) ?, ce buffs avea magul in momentul ala (Sp trinkets..)
Majoritatea claselor de dps au crits mari momentan iar frost mage e oarecum situational cand vine vb de crits, daca stati rooted in freeze dispell repede, daca nu - asteptati-va la un crit.



Ok... Atunci imi explici screenshot-ul meu cu mag full iteme de reputatie+blues imi da 18k pe 3674 resil? Si in video-urile care le-am postat un mage 3/5 vicious da in rogue full vicious maxim 13k?
Un rogue full vicious nici nu are cum sa ajunga la resilul meu(400 resil din 2+3 set).
In plus, luati o privire la calculele mele si ziceti ce am gresit? Ce lipseste de acolo? Cum in calcule se ajunge la 8-9k icelance si in damage se ajunge la 18k?

Care are chef, din "mage" defenders, sa-mi dea whisper pe Shay in-game si facem teste cat vreti.

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