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Post Posted: 01-02-2012, 18:23:04 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Descrierea bugului / Bug description: are mai putin de 30 % sansa de a face slam instant undeva la 20 %
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Post Posted: 02-02-2012, 15:10:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

dont really understood what you're reporting but
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Your Bloodthirst hits have a 30% chance of making your next Slam instant, [i] free, and deal 20% more damage[/i] for 10 sec.
the italic part is not working again for sure. Proced slam cost rage and deal not increased dmg.

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Post Posted: 02-02-2012, 15:38:21 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

arnisgd wrote:
Proced slam cost rage and deal not increased dmg.

This one you're wrong it is working.
arnisgd wrote:
dont really understood what you're reporting but

Im talking about the 30% chance of making your next Slam instant. If you look at my screen-shot from 81 bloodthirst I got just 15 slams and I sould have got 24.

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Post Posted: 02-02-2012, 15:42:10 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

He is reporting that the talent has less chance to proc than 30%, but he is wrong.As for the damage, i'm not sure but last time i checked it was ok.

Deci ce vezi u pe addon-ul ala este ce procent de dmg a dat slam in perioada de timp in care ai inregistrat tu damage-ul si nu are nici o legatura cu proc chance, daca ai fii dat 0 dmg cu celelalte skilluri care mai apar in fereastra de la addon, ar fi scris in loc de 23%, 100% la slam.

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He is reporting that the talent has less chance to proc than 30%, but he is wrong.As for the damage, i'm not sure but last time i checked it was ok.

Deci ce vezi u pe addon-ul ala este ce procent de dmg a dat slam in perioada de timp in care ai inregistrat tu damage-ul si nu are nici o legatura cu proc chance, daca ai fii dat 0 dmg cu celelalte skilluri care mai apar in fereastra de la addon, ar fi scris in loc de 23%, 100% la slam.


Ia fa tu un calcul rapid si spune-mi cat inseamna 30% din 81.Nu cred ca ai inteles ce am vrut sa arat cu screenul.

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Post Posted: 02-02-2012, 15:51:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Even if the damge is ok it still cost rage even it shoudnt, and yes it proces less often than it should.
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Post Posted: 02-02-2012, 17:29:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Da, iarta-ma , nu am inteles, m-a derutat acel "undeva la 20 % " si faptul ca am vazut acolo 23%.

Oricum, daca are 30% sansa sa se activeze nu inseamna ca daca dai 100 , se activeaza 30 din alea, e o chestie de noroc zic eu.. corecteaza-ma daca gresesc.Adica daca eu am 2% crit chance si dau 2 crits la rand inseamna ca urmatoarele 98 vor fi non-crits?

Si oricum, vad ca ai dat 81 de bloodthirsts dintre care 15 au activat bloodsurge-ul. De unde stii ca daca mai dadeai inca 19 nu s-ar fii activat de inca 15 ori ceea ce ar fii facut 30 din 100?
E doar o chestie de noroc...

De asemenea se putea sa nu se activeze deloc pana la 100 si sa ramana 15 din 100, apoi sa mai dai inca 900 de BTs din care se activau 285. Si ar fii rezultat 300 de procs din 1000, ceea ce ar fii fost 30%.Nu cred ca ss tau dovedeste ca ar fii vre-o problema la proc chance.

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Post Posted: 02-02-2012, 17:35:38 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Scott wrote:
Ia fa tu un calcul rapid si spune-mi cat inseamna 30% din 81.Nu cred ca ai inteles ce am vrut sa arat cu screenul.

Chiar daca 30% din 81 este 24 si tu ai avut doar 15 Slams, asta nu spune multe relativ la sansa de proc.

Una este sa cunosti o probabilitate, alta este sa o aproximezi folosind un esantion: este nevoie de esantioane imense, uneori mai mari de ordinul sutelor.
Spre exemplu, pentru a arata cu un grad de incredere de 95% ca sansa de proc este intre 25% si 35% ai avea nevoie de un esantion de aprox. 1300 de Bloodthirsts.

Ca sa vezi cat de mult variaza datele pe esantioane asa mici, eu am obtinut 15 Slams din 42 de Bloodthirsts.

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Post Posted: 03-02-2012, 03:23:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Merge perfect....Conteaza norocu ...
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Post Posted: 03-02-2012, 04:16:26 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

sansa la orice proc ingame este determinata (sau cel putin ar trebui determinata) de RNG (random numbers generator) de multe ori am procuri de km(killing machine) unul dupa altul la fiecare 2sec si de alte ori astept zeci de secunde sa dea un proc.
cum a zis cineva mai sus depinde de noroc.

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Post Posted: 04-02-2012, 10:37:33 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

da.. daca ai 30% chance asta nu inseamna ca din 100 hit tre sa ai 30 de procs..eu cred ca, se ia fiecare hit separat, adica dai un hit si daca ai noroc sa intre acel 30% bafta ta...deci tie ti-a intrat 15 prosc, putea sa-ti intre 10 sau 40 sau 5 din 80 de hit cat ai dat tu acolo (ASA CRED EU nu stiu cum functioneaza RNG)
Dar ai drepatate intra cam rar Slamu

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Post Posted: 12-03-2012, 13:14:23 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Intr-adevar, are sansa mai mica... am testat si eu si uite rezultatele:



2793 Bloodthistu-ri si doar 717 Slam-uri... deci sansa e undeva pe la 25%

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Post Posted: 12-03-2012, 14:47:53 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

2793/717=3.895 deci cam 1 din 3 bloodthirst au procuit...app nu scrie nicaieri ca 1 din 3 Bloodthirst trebuie sa procuie neaparat Bloodsurge,aici intervine SANSA.



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Post Posted: 12-03-2012, 15:24:42 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Harlequin wrote:
2793/717=3.895 deci cam 1 din 3 bloodthirst au procuit...app nu scrie nicaieri ca 1 din 3 Bloodthirst trebuie sa procuie neaparat Bloodsurge,aici intervine SANSA.

Nush ce teorie ai tu, dar eu zic ca trebuie asa: x/100 * 2793 = 717 => x= 717/2793*100 = 25,6%

Si daca cresti numarul de incercari atunci acea sansa incepe sa se contureze mai bine, ajungandu-se aproape de acea probabilitate, cel putin asa zic eu... poate altii ar avea alta parere...
Adik exista o sansa destul de mare sa iei de 3 ori la rand Bloodsurge dar sansa sa iei de 100 de ori Bloodsurge la rand e mult mai mica...

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Post Posted: 12-03-2012, 19:29:15 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Interesant...cum calculati cu 2793 hituri daca a dat 83 dodge si 33 miss ?
Exemplu random:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/nqam1dqytec0tnfm/details/20/?s=4944&&e=5395
Dati sus la damage by spell.... 51 bloodthirst cu 12 slam. 23.51% sansa, desi sunt destul de putine hituri.

NU ESTE PROC pe sistem PPM precum Killing machine; fiecare hit are 30% sanse sa procuie acel talent...asta inseamna ca daca ai noroc poti avea mai multe procuri, daca nu mai putine.

Scot dupa screenshotul lui are o sansa de proc de 18.51% si Lonn de 26.8%; pot sa pun pariu ca daca testeaza toti warriorii de pe server vor avea fiecare valori diferite.




PS: 2793 - 83(dodge) -33(miss)=2677 succesfull hits; 100 / (2677 / 717) =26.78% (impartirea nu e comutativa pt cine nu stie sa calculeze).

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