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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 00:50:05 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dx_Mc0KIy84:

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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 01:09:24 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ce dea aberatii e buguit nu e buguit. arms are 20% two hander weapon specialization din HOT FIXURILE de la server.the rest idk.sunt buguri mai importante decat asta serios.
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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 07:34:51 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

lol 37k crit.......... pe 4k resill care iti da vreo 42% dmg reduction si 36k armura care ar trebui sa reduca cu vreo 57% mele dmg.......... pai daca nu era resilul ala dadea peste 52k pe 36k armura.......... nu da un boss atata intr-un tanc dreq dar desigur, sa nu jignim vreun warr ca e clasa protejata prin lege pe server, la urma urmei toti ne-am facut cate un warr, tocmai pentru lucrul asta.
Hai warr-ii cu injuraturile si blestemele -

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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 07:41:34 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Nu conteaza armura din moment ce avea colossus smash pe el ...




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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 07:45:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

santinel01 wrote:
lol 37k crit.......... pe 4k resill care iti da vreo 42% dmg reduction si 36k armura care ar trebui sa reduca cu vreo 57% mele dmg.......... pai daca nu era resilul ala dadea peste 52k pe 36k armura.......... nu da un boss atata intr-un tanc dreq dar desigur, sa nu jignim vreun warr ca e clasa protejata prin lege pe server, la urma urmei toti ne-am facut cate un warr, tocmai pentru lucrul asta.
Hai warr-ii cu injuraturile si blestemele -


Injuraturile si blestemele vin cand vorbiti in nestire.


Filmuletu' aluia e total off-topic, n-are nicio relevanta. Tu nu vezi ca avea 0 armura cand a dat critu ala (sup Colossus Smash)? Si warru avea 1shot si toate bufurile pe el.


Cand testezi ceva, testezi fara nici-un buf, increase dmg. Si cel mai sigur e dupa formula, nu dupa auzite, sau poze total off-topic de pe blizzard.


Nu-si apara nimeni clasa cand vii cu ceva concret, stai tu calm.

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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 09:42:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

ce bine ca ati deschis acest subiect (in urmatoarele calcule / teste voi demonstra ca de fapt este un bug negativ la ms damage)
nu aruncati cu pietre nu mai joc pe freakz.

spell: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12294 (wowhead link)
150% weapon damage plus 423

talentele/abilitatile:
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12712 (wowhead link) 20% weapon damage
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=2457 (wowhead link) 5% weapon damage
deja sunt adaugate in caracter panel - weapon damage deci nu e cazul sa le folosim in formula urmatoare

ce multiplica damage-ul la ms in patchul 4.0.6:
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84572 (wowhead link) 15% damage
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=29859 (wowhead link) 4% damage (nu cred ca exista warr arms care sa nu aibe un bleed pe target)
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84588 (wowhead link) 30% damage
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=56611 (wowhead link) 10% damage (da proc f.des mai ales daca sti sa dai un intercept/ms pe target)
si la crit se adauga:
meta 3% damage (nu am vazut pana acum warr cu mana sau intellect meta deci voi presupune ca si alti warrs folosesc meta de strenght)
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=16494 (wowhead link) 20% damage

formula/teste:

normal damage:
(weapon damage * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1
crit damage:
(weapon damage * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 * 2 * 1.2 * 1.03

eu am pe warr weapon damage 5867 - 7787 cu enrage up (nu am glyph) deci voi calcula pe baza acestui weapon damage critul si damage-ul facut de ms.
pic here: http://i.imgur.com/8B3SV.jpg

normal damage:
minim -> (5867 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 = 15774.76758 damage
maxim -> (7787 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 = 20700.37398 damage

crit damage:
minim -> (5867 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 * 2 * 1.2 * 1.03 = 38995.22545776 damage
maxim -> (7787 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 * 2 * 1.2 * 1.03 = 51171.32447856 damage

TEORETIC - atat ar trebui sa dau pe dummy cu 0 resil 0 armura LA CAT WEAPON DAMAGE AM + TALENTELE AFERENTE

EU DAU:

damage normal valori intre 11561 - 19666
crit damage valori intre 25741 - 40869

pic here: http://i.imgur.com/6LBNt.jpg

CHIAR DACA fac calculele la weapon damage fara enrage adica (minim 5433 - maxim 7210) si tot dau damage mai mic pe MS.

normal damage:
minim -> (5433 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 = 14661.3753 damage
maxim -> (7210 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 = 19220.12664 damage

crit damage:
minim -> (5433 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 * 2 * 1.2 * 1.03 = 36242.9197416 damage
maxim -> (7210 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 * 2 * 1.2 * 1.03 = 47512.15305408 damage

TOT NU iese ms damage comparativ cu weapon damage fara enrage
pic here: http://i.imgur.com/6LBNt.jpg

cred ca este o diferenta de la cer la pamant intre calcule si realitate si oricine isi poate da seama ca teoria este teorie dar PRACTICA ne omoara.

in concluzie https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12294 (wowhead link) da mai putin damage decat ar trebui.

PS: Daca am gresit pe undeva nu ma deranjeaza sa ma corectati (intr-o maniera civilizata si decenta daca nu cer prea mult)



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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 10:03:31 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Sa inteleg mai bine . Tu te plangi de dmg?
Comparati https://youtube.com/watch?v=gdykHbviMKA:

cand face duel cu shamanu > https://youtube.com/watch?v=dx_Mc0KIy84:

. Nu cred ca are shamanul mai mult de 4k resil.

Posturi unite automat, 07-06-2012, 11:03:31

gentleman143 wrote:
Nu conteaza armura din moment ce avea colossus smash pe el ...


Dar conta resil.

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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 12:35:22 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

cam fail toti.. testele pentru a fi relevante trebuiesc facute fara iteme care sa influenteze (atat la warr cat si la target)
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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 12:55:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

warspyy daca te plangi de mortal strike deja devii penibil.Asta nu e bug report..nu ai adus nici o dovada/formula pe baza careia sa dem ca da dmg in+ ci dimpotriva au adus altii ca trebuie sa dea mai mult.Unii inca nu realizati ca sunteti pe cata akum....sa nu mai enumar toate clasele care dau 37k asa...lejer, inclusiv tu cu paladinu retry cu templaru.
Am si eu pala retry full si stiu ca da mult mai mult decat un kkt de ms, dar nu cred ca am venit eu sa aduc poze cum trebuie sa dea.

casuta zohl, doru



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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 13:07:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

durham wrote:
ce bine ca ati deschis acest subiect (in urmatoarele calcule / teste voi demonstra ca de fapt este un bug negativ la ms damage)
nu aruncati cu pietre nu mai joc pe freakz.

spell: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12294 (wowhead link)
150% weapon damage plus 423

talentele/abilitatile:
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12712 (wowhead link) 20% weapon damage
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=2457 (wowhead link) 5% weapon damage
deja sunt adaugate in caracter panel - weapon damage deci nu e cazul sa le folosim in formula urmatoare

ce multiplica damage-ul la ms in patchul 4.0.6:
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84572 (wowhead link) 15% damage
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=29859 (wowhead link) 4% damage (nu cred ca exista warr arms care sa nu aibe un bleed pe target)
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84588 (wowhead link) 30% damage
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=56611 (wowhead link) 10% damage (da proc f.des mai ales daca sti sa dai un intercept/ms pe target)
si la crit se adauga:
meta 3% damage (nu am vazut pana acum warr cu mana sau intellect meta deci voi presupune ca si alti warrs folosesc meta de strenght)
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=16494 (wowhead link) 20% damage

formula/teste:

normal damage:
(weapon damage * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1
crit damage:
(weapon damage * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 * 2 * 1.2 * 1.03

eu am pe warr weapon damage 5867 - 7787 cu enrage up (nu am glyph) deci voi calcula pe baza acestui weapon damage critul si damage-ul facut de ms.
pic here: http://i.imgur.com/8B3SV.jpg

normal damage:
minim -> (5867 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 = 15774.76758 damage
maxim -> (7787 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 = 20700.37398 damage

crit damage:
minim -> (5867 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 * 2 * 1.2 * 1.03 = 38995.22545776 damage
maxim -> (7787 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 * 2 * 1.2 * 1.03 = 51171.32447856 damage

TEORETIC - atat ar trebui sa dau pe dummy cu 0 resil 0 armura LA CAT WEAPON DAMAGE AM + TALENTELE AFERENTE

EU DAU:

damage normal valori intre 11561 - 19666
crit damage valori intre 25741 - 40869

pic here: http://i.imgur.com/6LBNt.jpg

CHIAR DACA fac calculele la weapon damage fara enrage adica (minim 5433 - maxim 7210) si tot dau damage mai mic pe MS.

normal damage:
minim -> (5433 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 = 14661.3753 damage
maxim -> (7210 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 = 19220.12664 damage

crit damage:
minim -> (5433 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 * 2 * 1.2 * 1.03 = 36242.9197416 damage
maxim -> (7210 * 1.5 + 423) * 1.15 * 1.04 * 1.3 * 1.1 * 2 * 1.2 * 1.03 = 47512.15305408 damage

TOT NU iese ms damage comparativ cu weapon damage fara enrage
pic here: http://i.imgur.com/6LBNt.jpg

cred ca este o diferenta de la cer la pamant intre calcule si realitate si oricine isi poate da seama ca teoria este teorie dar PRACTICA ne omoara.

in concluzie https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=12294 (wowhead link) da mai putin damage decat ar trebui.

PS: Daca am gresit pe undeva nu ma deranjeaza sa ma corectati (intr-o maniera civilizata si decenta daca nu cer prea mult)



@Warrspy si cu Proof.

ASA SE FACE UN BUG REPORT , CALCULE + FORMULE
Deci practic Mortal Strike da mult mai putin damage decat ar trebui.



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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 13:13:22 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

durham wrote:
PS: Daca am gresit pe undeva nu ma deranjeaza sa ma corectati (intr-o maniera civilizata si decenta daca nu cer prea mult)

I : Dmg-ul ala din Caracter Panel sau cum se numeste este deja influentat de Two Handed Weapon Specialization, Battle Stance si Enrage... tu practic le-ai mai adaugat odata
II: Abilitatea este instanta, deci este normalizata... Attack power-ul se scaleaza altfel.

bigblackjoey wrote:

@Warrspy si cu Proof.

ASA SE FACE UN BUG REPORT , CALCULE + FORMULE
Deci practic Mortal Strike da mult mai putin damage decat ar trebui.


Merge bine... a gresit el pe la calcule cate ceva...


Lonn wrote:
http://i48.tinypic.com/15sad0h.jpg
Abilitati/talente/glyphuri ce influenteaza dmg-ul:

5%-> Battle Stance
20%-> Two-Handed Weapon Specialization
10%-> Glyph of Mortal Strike

Deci formula arata asa:

1.5*1.05*1.2*1.1* (Weapon Damage + 423) = 1.5*1.05*1.2*1.1* (Attack power/14*3.3 + Base Weapon Damage + 423) = 1.5*1.05*1.2*1.1* (8163/14*3.3 + 8 + 423) =
2.079 * (1924.135 + 8 + 423) = 2.079 * 2355.135 = 4896.327

Eu am dat 4852 ... nu vad nici un bug...



Works fine... invalid bug report.

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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 13:43:39 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

warspyy wrote:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dx_Mc0KIy84:

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Si de asta ce zici?


Si cat ai vrea sa iei damage de la un warr cu 2 trinkete de strength? -))

Avand in vedere ca doar resilu ce mai conteaza putin, pe 4.0.6 armura e degeaba Sigh


cause maybe one day I will walk away and say "you *** disappoint me"
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Post Posted: 07-06-2012, 19:14:25 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

warspyy wrote:
Sa inteleg mai bine . Tu te plangi de dmg?
Comparati https://youtube.com/watch?v=gdykHbviMKA:

cand face duel cu shamanu > https://youtube.com/watch?v=dx_Mc0KIy84:

. Nu cred ca are shamanul mai mult de 4k resil.

Posturi unite automat, 07-06-2012, 11:03:31

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Nu conteaza armura din moment ce avea colossus smash pe el ...


Dar conta resil.


Se presupune ca warriorul din primul video (de pe Blizz) este full pvp, fara http://www.wowhead.com/item=65072, cel pe care ti-ai pus warrior-ul sa-l foloseasca http://armory.freakz.ro/character-sheet.xml?r=Genesis&&cn=Radicalfym. Cred ca 4300 attack power in plus influenteaza foarte mult dmg-ul. Gandeste inainte sa faci teste, nu incerca sa induci pe altii in eroare.

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proof wrote:
Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: mortal strike (wowhead link)
doar pt ms deocamdata, desi sunt si alte abilitati care au dmg mai mare decat trebuie
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: un warr cu freakz gear da dmg cu mortal strike, asemeni unui warr pe blizz
Dovada / Proof:
blizz ms dmg against 0 resil/0 armor
freakz ms dmg against 0 resil/0 armor

in caz ca randoms sar de c&r in sus:
charele nu au glyphuri care sa influenteze ceva din ce am aratat
talent tree-ul e acelasi pt ambele chare
nu am folosit colossus smash sau alte abilitati de increase dmg
pe 4.2 Two-Handed Weapon Specialization weapon damage increase has been lowered to 12%, down from 20%.


Si noi ce garantie avem ca printscreen-urile alea sunt de pe serverul blizzard?


Ce uºurare sã realizezi cã eu nu sunt „vocea din mintea mea”. Atunci cine sunt eu? Cel care vede toate acestea.

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ap0l0 wrote:
proof wrote:
Wowhead/WoW Freakz Link: mortal strike (wowhead link)
doar pt ms deocamdata, desi sunt si alte abilitati care au dmg mai mare decat trebuie
Descrierea bugului / Bug description: un warr cu freakz gear da dmg cu mortal strike, asemeni unui warr pe blizz
Dovada / Proof:
blizz ms dmg against 0 resil/0 armor
freakz ms dmg against 0 resil/0 armor

in caz ca randoms sar de c&r in sus:
charele nu au glyphuri care sa influenteze ceva din ce am aratat
talent tree-ul e acelasi pt ambele chare
nu am folosit colossus smash sau alte abilitati de increase dmg
pe 4.2 Two-Handed Weapon Specialization weapon damage increase has been lowered to 12%, down from 20%.


Si noi ce garantie avem ca printscreen-urile alea sunt de pe serverul blizzard?


In unele nume ale jucatorilor care fac duele sunt prezente simboluri.

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