Question regarding changing video card

[Domminus]

Hawtydaboss wrote:

Well i think it's obvious,but would be great if you post something that would help me than posting with what i could fly :v Ty anyways lol.Btw huge thanks for those 2 guys above for the help

Ok then, for WoW you dont need some special graphic card, coz this is not a ARMA 3.

My bad i didn't check your components.
1st, change your procesor before you buy anything -you dont need some high but i can see you are INTEL lover so this is good one for u DUALCORE G3220 It's 55euros.
2nd, You can use ATI HD 5450 1gb DDR3 over 40euros. It's a bit better then 4550 but you can play it fine without problems.
3td, buy 1 or 2 more memories.
4th, get W7.

[shhnedo]

pal0bre wrote:

DDR3 is significantly slower than GDDR3 or GDDR5. Mainly because GDDR was designed to work nicely with GPUs. Therefore always aim for GDDR5.

Well, GDDR3 and GDDR5 are basically both DDR3 memory, but GDDR5 is designed with some more functions and a two more separate clock speeds, which makes it run faster, therefore handle more information faster than regular DDR3 or GDDR3. So yeah, absolutely ALWAYS aim for GDDR5, unless you're just browsing/skyping/watching movies.

Domminus wrote:

1st, change your procesor before you buy anything -you dont need some high but i can see you are INTEL lover so this is good one for u DUALCORE G3220 It's 55euros. 2nd, You can use ATI HD 5450 1gb DDR3 over 40euros. It's a bit better then 4550 but you can play it fine without problems. 3td, buy 1 or 2 more memories. 4th, get W7.

How is having an Intel processor considered being an Intel lover?
You do realize that G3220 is on a completely different platform, right? E2200 is and LGA775 cpu, G3220 is LGA1150. That's a lot of difference. Like a new motherboard, for starters. Then completely new RAM memory. You'll end up advising him to spend more than 150 euros. Believe me, not everyone in Bulgaria is willing to cash in the money necessary for a sensible purchase. People here would rather cheap out on everything they can, mainly because of little IT knowledge and financial problems overall.

[Domminus]

shhnedo wrote:

How is having an Intel processor considered being an Intel lover? You do realize that G3220 is on a completely different platform, right? E2200 is and LGA775 cpu, G3220 is LGA1150. That's a lot of difference. Like a new motherboard, for starters. Then completely new RAM memory. You'll end up advising him to spend more than 150 euros. Believe me, not everyone in Bulgaria is willing to cash in the money necessary for a sensible purchase. People here would rather cheap out on everything they can, mainly because of little IT knowledge and financial problems overall.

W/e. First of all Intel is s*** for gaming.
Second i gave him 2 things over 100e better then graphic card for 300e which have life time 2years and what then.
So how is possible that i'm advising him to spend more money, when he can buy 2 things for double cheap money then 1 thing. About memorie he can find for much more lower price then in our country.

[pal0bre]

Domminus wrote:

W/e. First of all Intel is s*** for gaming.

I own a Athlon 64, Phenom II X3 865 and a FX-8320 and I have a box of dead Semprons somewhere around. Even I don't believe that.

[shhnedo]

Domminus wrote:

W/e. First of all Intel is s*** for gaming.

Now this is what people call "being an AMD fan boy", or as you put it - lover.
Intel is actually very good for games. So is AMD. The difference is the price. When Intel offers a true quad core for... 160ish euros, AMD brings an octo core(not real 8 cores though) to the table for the same price. The fact that i7 costs between 250 and 300 euros is just Intel being greedy and AMD being too lazy to offer real competition. AMD's flagship FX-8350 competes with an i5, more specifically the i5-xxxxK edition. The i7 simply destroys them both and has no real competition(don't talk to me about Opterons, that's a server chip), that's why it's priced so high.
The conclusion, the real difference is price/performance ration. When you don't want ot buy an i7, you buy an FX-83xx or an i5 if you want. Same thing goes down the model line(FX-6xxx vs i3).


Onto your last post, no, I didn't say "Go buy a single component for 300 euros"(I think you meant euros by "e"). I said "buy a good enough component for 60 euros". Let me break your post down for you.

Domminus wrote:

1st, change your procesor before you buy anything -you dont need some high but i can see you are INTEL lover so this is good one for u DUALCORE G3220 It's 55euros.

- G3220 is priced at ~50 euros, depending on where you do your shopping. Then comes the picture from the first post. Specifically the G41 chipset. That's an oldass LGA775 chipset. G3220 is an LGA1150 CPU. TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLATFORMS! A new LGA1150 motherboard in Bulgaria is ~40 euros at their cheapest! Then comes the RAM. The guy is using DDR2 800 atm. If you haven't noticed, ever since the X58 chipset(LGA1366) came out back in Q4 2008 there are NO NEW motherboards that support DDR2 memory - LGA1366/1156/1155/2011/1150 all use DDR3. In other words, an LGA1150 motherboard will result in new RAM, which, depending on the size of the stick, will cost ~30 euros.

Domminus wrote:

2nd, You can use ATI HD 5450 1gb DDR3 over 40euros. It's a bit better then 4550 but you can play it fine without problems.

- worst possible GPU you could recommend to somebody. Doesn't even use its 1GB of memory properly. Doesn't even justify the money you pay for it. You will just have the graphics chip itself struggle when too many graphics details pop up, before you could fill up that 1GB frame buffer. We're talking about a gpu with 80 cores... Even a gpu with 384 cores has troubles every now and then...

Domminus wrote:

3td, buy 1 or 2 more memories.

- Sadly it's not as easy as going to the store, picking up some random stick of memory and buying it. Not to mention DDR2 being twice as expensive as DDR3.

Domminus wrote:

4th, get W7.

- Atleast this is done easily.

In the end, OP is better off investing in a video card, because he can re-use it later. Buying some second hand LGA775 processor is simply not worth it.

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@Hawtydaboss
We actually went way offtopic here.
I mentioned some decent GPUs but never actually pointed to actual websites.
http://nikem-bg.net/computer-components/PALIT-GT630-1GB-D5 it's kinda weak... only 96 processing cores, I wouldn't consider it, just pointing it out
http://nikem-bg.net/computer-components/ASUS-GT640-1GD5-L
http://nikem-bg.net/computer-components/SAPPHIRE-R7-240-1G-GD5-W-BOOST
http://nikem-bg.net/computer-components/ASUS-R7-250-1GD5
http://nikem-bg.net/computer-components/POWER-COLOR-AXR7-250-1GBD5-HV2E-OC
http://nikem-bg.net/computer-components/SAPPHIRE-HD6670-1G-GD5-BULK

http://www.virtualnazona.com/index.php/component/virtuemart/nastolni-rs/video-karta/videokarta-palit-nvidia-geforce-gt640-jetstream-1gb-gddr5-4710636267819-detail?Itemid=0
http://www.virtualnazona.com/index.php/component/virtuemart/nastolni-rs/video-karta/2014-06-04-08-30-481390871748-detail?Itemid=0
I wouldn't shop from that website if I were you. I don't have personal experience with it, but it sure doesn't give you much of a choice.

http://www.emag.bg/video-karti/filter/tip-pamet-f264,gddr5-v780/price,between-0-and-180/c
Here you've got some interesting choices. I tried to keep it under 75 euros but there are some good video cards for 80 euros that won't be too powerful for your pentium.

All in all, the order you should consider is the following(more powerful to less powerful):
HD6670/R7 250X
GTX650/GT640/R7 250/R7 240/HD7730(if you can find this one)
GT630

Even if you see shit like GT630 4GB or something like that, DO NOT fall for it. The class of GPU you are looking for CAN NOT use more than 1GB of memory properly, and GDDR5 outperforms (G)DDR3 hands down.
And really consider installing windows 7 32 bit.

[Domminus]

@Shhnedo, you are full % in right. And i respect all you said up.
Also i said that 5450 is good for him coz is cheap and it is not that bad.
I had 4550 over 4years and i didnt have prob. with gaming, so probably 5xxx series for someone who dont wanna pay much is good.

Ps: I'm sorry if you got me wrong, coz i didnt wanted that, and i dont have prob to people know that, if i am wrong i will say so. Hmm the best way is to stop posting on this topic and let smarter then me have conversation. xD

[Hawtydaboss]

shhnedo wrote:

@Hawtydaboss We actually went way offtopic here. I mentioned some decent GPUs but never actually pointed to actual websites. http://nikem-bg.net/computer-components/PALIT-GT630-1GB-D5 it's kinda weak... only 96 processing cores, I wouldn't consider it, just pointing it out http://nikem-bg.net/computer-components/ASUS-GT640-1GD5-L http://nikem-bg.net/computer-components/SAPPHIRE-R7-240-1G-GD5-W-BOOST http://nikem-bg.net/computer-components/ASUS-R7-250-1GD5 http://nikem-bg.net/computer-components/POWER-COLOR-AXR7-250-1GBD5-HV2E-OC http://nikem-bg.net/computer-components/SAPPHIRE-HD6670-1G-GD5-BULK http://www.virtualnazona.com/index.php/component/virtuemart/nastolni-rs/video-karta/videokarta-palit-nvidia-geforce-gt640-jetstream-1gb-gddr5-4710636267819-detail?Itemid=0 http://www.virtualnazona.com/index.php/component/virtuemart/nastolni-rs/video-karta/2014-06-04-08-30-481390871748-detail?Itemid=0 I wouldn't shop from that website if I were you. I don't have personal experience with it, but it sure doesn't give you much of a choice. http://www.emag.bg/video-karti/filter/tip-pamet-f264,gddr5-v780/price,between-0-and-180/c Here you've got some interesting choices. I tried to keep it under 75 euros but there are some good video cards for 80 euros that won't be too powerful for your pentium. All in all, the order you should consider is the following(more powerful to less powerful): HD6670/R7 250X GTX650/GT640/R7 250/R7 240/HD7730(if you can find this one) GT630 Even if you see shit like GT630 4GB or something like that, DO NOT fall for it. The class of GPU you are looking for CAN NOT use more than 1GB of memory properly, and GDDR5 outperforms (G)DDR3 hands down. And really consider installing windows 7 32 bit.

The amount of professional knowledge is huge there dude lol,thanks alot for the advices,i'll look how things will go and might think and also talk with the service managers.

@Other guys.Well guys basically my family is not poor or anything we get decent amount of money but in my shit country i've so many expenses and the money goes away like a feather...It's so retarded... As i see this guy above is also Bulgarian so he actually knows how shit life is in Bulgaria and know what to link to me,anyways HUGE thanks to all of you guys,you helped me with something

OT: http://forum.wow-freakz.com/view-post-4018289.html?#4018289 Check this for PvP lovers.

Cya guys

[Ulver]

I had the 5450 and it went above 70C, crashed WOW even on low details. This card is NOT MENT for gaming at all.
Go for the refurbished (u can get 1 year guarantee) or aftermarket GPU, im 100% u have something like LOCAL advertisement www in your country, sometimes you can find GOLD on those sites. Dont listen to those ppl here they have NO IDEA about the things they are talking about.

Btw guys dont compare AMD and Intel it's like comparing high end TRACTOR and a Sports Car.

[shhnedo]

Ulver wrote:

I had the 5450 and it went above 70C, crashed WOW even on low details. This card is NOT MENT for gaming at all. Go for the refurbished (u can get 1 year guarantee) or aftermarket GPU, im 100% u have something like LOCAL advertisement www in your country, sometimes you can find GOLD on those sites. Dont listen to those ppl here they have NO IDEA about the things they are talking about. Btw guys dont compare AMD and Intel it's like comparing high end TRACTOR and a Sports Car.

You really don't know when to quit, do you?
The guy already made his decision. And as far as YOUR 5450 goes, running a component with dried out thermal paste doesn't do you any good. I had a 7300LE passively cooled and it always went above 70C while playing, capping out at 75 *C. Not a single crash caused by GPU *C, but I did change the thermal paste regularly. HD5450 is pretty much the same tier, except being made on a smaller die(40nm vs 90nm for the 7300LE). Now you were either frying your components without giving a single f@ck about thermal interface material(which is a game changer when it comes to temperatures), or you simply had your pc messed up software-wise. Or, you could've been one of those lucky people to get a bad piece of silicon. Either way, you don't bring up much of a valid argument.

Btw, wrong on this one as well, comparing brands is what brought you an X GHz CPU. Comparing brands and criticising them is what brought us FX-9590(even though it was kind of a fail)/i7-2600K/i5-2500K/Phenom II x6/Core 2 Quad/Core 2 Duo E8xxx/Pentium/Athlon.

[pal0bre]

Ulver wrote:

I had the 5450 and it went above 70C, crashed WOW even on low details.

You mad?

[bordy]

You could also just buy new processor only, for example one of those intel core i5 sandy bridge things with integrated GPU (intel HD graphics 3000 or higher). I'm running with it on my laptop since discrete card failed on me and wow works fine, indie games work fine, big game titles on low settings work ok-ish.

Only problem I see, looking at how outdated your components are, you may have to upgrade even your motherboard.

[Anesthetic]

If you don't want to spend ton of money, you can buy ATI Radeon HD 5570 GPU. I bought mine two years ago and i am pleased how well it turned out.
It costed me around 60 euros and i am pulling 46-60 FPS at high settings with shadows set to low on 1920/1080 resolution. If your resolution is less than 1920/1080, you will definitely pull 60+ FPS even at ultra settings.

If you decide to go for a different one, DO NOT BUY A FANLESS ONE! You will regret it! My last GPU was fanless GeForce 8500 GT and it got burned due lack of cooling 2 days after my warranty expired