[FIXED] [Multiple] Real PPM system

[mishu.cgm]

WoW Freakz spell link:
All procs
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=118333&&name=dancing-steel-dnd
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=141980&&name=jade-spirit-passive
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=104561&&name=windsong-dnd
etc

Bug description:
I've seen the fix here https://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-Dancing-steel-proc-from-heal-bug-t382085.html and it should not have been made like this.

Regarding the proof provided for the 2.5 ppm on dancing steel:

In MOP the RPPM has been introduced (in 5.2+, a hotfix in 5.1 was made for dancing steel and jade spirit, so 5.1 trinkets are not affected - they work under ICD and proc chance logic)

All procs (including weapons enchants) fall under RPPM logic, meaning that they have a base PPM (jade spirit and dancing steel have 2ppm) and they are influenced by true haste (The highest of your melee, ranged, or spell haste is chosen)

So you have a standard proc chance (according to standard PPM, it's 2 for weapons enchants).

You multiply that by the time passed since last chance to proc and real haste.

Example

Quote:

If you have 22% Haste, it was 1.4sec since the last chance to proc, and you’ve got Windsong, then the chance to proc is 2(ppm) * 1.22(haste) * 1.4(time since last chance) / 60 (sec per min) = 5.693%.

Proof:
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Real_PPM
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/240336-windsong-and-elemental-force-information/
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1211609-Real-PPM-theorycrafting
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8197741003
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/06/patch-5-1-changes-enchants/


LE: The 'time since the last chance to proc' is capped at 10sec, so that your first attack of a fight isn't a guaranteed proc.
LE2: Note that we are talking about true haste (comes from haste rating, and heroism, frost armor etc but NOT attack speed buffs, like Rogue's Slice and Dice)

[mental^depress]

mishu.cgm wrote:

WoW Freakz spell link: All procs

+ those:

https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=142531
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=104428
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=142536






Also, those enchants should be affected by PPM ( at least, on freakz spell finder you can't find their real RPPM value ):

https://www.wow-freakz.com/item_finder.php?item=74728
https://www.wow-freakz.com/item_finder.php?item=52747 ( ? )
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=pandamonium&&show_non_player=on ( ? )
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=116631 ( ? )


Info: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=104440 (wowhead link) ( First post )

[mishu.cgm]

That comment you reffered as info is partially correct. but doesnt fully makes sense

Quote:

Jade Spirit: 2 RPPM on spell damage or healing, 50-second cooldown.

This cannot be correct, a 50 seconds cd clearly breaks the 2 RPPM as described in all blue posts i linked above.
The essence of RPPM is the removal of ICDs and static proc chance, and replacing it with variable proc chances on each attack.

Jade spirit has 2 RPPM, and no CD.

[Frenlock]

mishu.cgm wrote:

I've seen the fix here https://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-Dancing-steel-proc-from-heal-bug-t382085.html and it should not have been made like this.

This fix its completely valid because according with tooltip and : http://www.wowdb.com/spells/104434-dancing-steel#related:comments and with http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/233359-beta-class-balance-analysis-pt-ii/ This enchants : http://www.wowhead.com/?item=74726 / http://www.wowhead.com/?item=98163 can proc only from melee attacks that land.

[mishu.cgm]

You are using a bluepost from beta-balancing times as valid info... Be careful with that, it can sometimes be misleading.

I can just an easily find the opposite https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=104440 (wowhead link)

Quote:

iamleejn on 2013/02/26 (Patch 5.1.0) I've noticed similar oddities with what is and is not a "damaging melee strike". I've managed to get a proc with Gift of the Naaru. HelloKitty on 2013/03/13 (Patch 5.2.0) I've also seen Dancing Steel proc off of healing spheres.

Nevertheless, you are correct. Dancing Steel procs from melee attacks that land.

But that was not the point of my post, and you clearly missed it. The bug would would not have been existent all the same if RPPM was working correctly.

If you spend a few minutes analyzing the formula provided and all the links I gave, you would simply realize that the source of the proc doesn't even matter anymore. (you would still have the same proc rate)
If you think about it, proc-ing from heal would actually be a disadvantage.

[ismael1370]

i was looking for the real reason of high Dancing steel (and similar things) uptime, found the reason of bug, wanted to post in forum, but found this topic:

mishu.cgm wrote:

WoW Freakz spell link: All procs https://wow.... . . . . .... speed buffs, like Rogue's Slice and Dice)

as you said, after 5.2 update all weapon enchants are now on RPPM system, no ICD and more complex chance calculation formula...

but what made me to make a reply is that 5.2 trinkets use the RPPM system too... so trinket proc's will be like the enchants...
imagine these trinkets with no ICD:
https://www.wow-freakz.com/item_finder.php?item=94514
https://www.wow-freakz.com/item_finder.php?item=94526


So i think RPPM have to be fixed before "Phase 2"

[Seyrox]

Also take in consideration this http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8197741003

Quote:

For 5.2, we made a change to trinkets to make them less predictable and less boring with the RPPM system. Sometimes you can get lucky and get several back to back procs. This feels cool. Sometimes you can also be unlucky, and get long streaks when the trinket just refuses to proc. A trinket that is intended to proc every 1 minute could in theory go 8 minutes or more without activating.

Quote:

Last night we hotfixed in a change for trinkets that use the RPPM system. Every time your trinket fails to proc, it increases the chance it will proc.

and

Quote:

Calculate the proc frequency as normal. Based on that, you can figure out the expected average proc interval. We also now keep track of time since the last successful proc (this is different from the time since last chance to proc), capped at 1000 sec. Multiply the proc chance by MAX(1, 1+((TimeSinceLastSuccessfulProc/AverageProcInterval)-1.5)*3). For example, if a proc has an average proc interval of 45 sec, and it’s been 72 sec since your last successful proc, you’ll get a 1.3x multiplier to your proc chance. If you’ve been out of combat for a few min, and it’s been 5 min since your last successful proc, you’ll get a whopping 16.5x multiplier to your proc chance.

so for instance lets say that a trinket or the meta gem fails to proc if i cast fel flame, when i cast the second fel flame this should have like 10%(i dont know the exact value) chance increased to proc and in theory this can go even to 100% because even if you have 100% change increased to proc it doesnt mean it should have 100% chance to proc, there is still a chance that it wont proc and this can go even to 200% 300% and so on.. till the item/meta procs and the cycle will repeat till it procs



Demonolgy Warlock Guide 5.4.8

[MikiQ22]

@Shocker
ICD's on trinkets are still up in database.

[Shocker]

I fixed the RPPM system, hopefully blizzlike, I did a lot of research and taken these posts (and more from battle.net / arena junkies / etc) in consideration. Spell finder now correctly shows base RPPM and RPPM per spec where available, for example: Haste Trigger @ Sinister Primal Diamond or Item - Warrior T15 DPS 2P Bonus or etc

Also implemented the "bad luck prevention" as explained here http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8197741003

I did lots of tests and simulations and procs seem to scale correctly like they scaled on blizz. In some cases the proc chances are a bit higher after the fix, in some cases the proc chances are lower after the fix.

Thus being said, I removed the custom ICDs we had on various trinkets/enchants/etc. Fix will be live after next restart.

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