[REJECTED] [Druid][Balance] DoTs crit snapshot

[Seyrox]

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=8921&&name=moonfire , https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=93402&&name=sunfire , https://www.wow-freakz.com/item_finder.php?item=95814&&name=unerring-vision-of-lei-shen
Bug description: When you proc https://www.wow-freakz.com/item_finder.php?item=95814&&name=unerring-vision-of-lei-shen and apply both dots they should get the trinket procs for full duration they stay up as they get all active procs when they are applied (snapshotting),but they dont.

Proof : https://youtube.com/watch?v=LU45sgLl-Sk:



Apropo daca va uitati in dreapta are msbt are hituri pe dots din cauza ca pe al4lea target nu a prins 100% crit chance.

Poate un gamemaster cu creier sa se uite aici si sa imi dea un raspuns contradictoriu ? Gen nu @Erudax



Demonolgy Warlock Guide 5.4.8

[Merlynx]

am incercat si eu sa aduc video dar degeaba.........http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/252792-ptr-class-and-set-bonus-issues-part-ii/#post2129 din postul acesta reiese ca nu au umblat chiar a zis ,,That’s extremely strong, but we’re going to try leaving it alone for now.'' eu inteleg din asta ca au lasat in continuare ca dots sa faca snapshot si ca exista cateva exceptii.e exact aceeasi mecanica ca la shadow priest.orice clasa cu doturi e capabila de snashot.

[Amnezx]

din cate stiu eu, desi nu am jucat boomkin/spriest pe live nu a fost snapshot chiar din cauza trinketului astuia, gandeste`te in pvp, cat de op e sa ai 100% crit pe dots pe 3 targets, 20 de secunde de surge`uri spamabile. nu cred ca ar mai fi jucat nimeni cu 2 trinkete pvp avand in vedere ca varianta lfr se farma usor

[Merlynx]

Amnezx wrote:

din cate stiu eu, desi nu am jucat boomkin/spriest pe live nu a fost snapshot chiar din cauza trinketului astuia, gandeste`te in pvp, cat de op e sa ai 100% crit pe dots pe 3 targets, 20 de secunde de surge`uri spamabile. nu cred ca ar mai fi jucat nimeni cu 2 trinkete pvp avand in vedere ca varianta lfr se farma usor

pe shadow priest merge snapshot la dots cu trinketa,la balance sta in felul urmator fiecare dot sunfire moonfire au sansa separat fiecare dot de 30% sa iti procuie starsurge......,adica cu acea trinketa ai avea sansa mlt mai mare daca aplici doturile cu 100% crit sa iti procuie starsurge.daca ai vazut video lui seyrox ai vazut despre ce e vb la noi nu vezi asa cva

Update @ 05-05-2016, 23:17:20

Amnezx wrote:

din cate stiu eu, desi nu am jucat boomkin/spriest pe live nu a fost snapshot chiar din cauza trinketului astuia, gandeste`te in pvp, cat de op e sa ai 100% crit pe dots pe 3 targets, 20 de secunde de surge`uri spamabile. nu cred ca ar mai fi jucat nimeni cu 2 trinkete pvp avand in vedere ca varianta lfr se farma usor

aa si uitasem vizavi de pvp nu iti permiti sa joci far bonus de resil unde un warr imi da execute de 130k si dk cate 60k+ gargoil daca nu am trink sau vre-o def....

[MikiQ22]

Quote:

The reason why it doesn't apply to Boomkins or Mages is because of the effect it would have. Fire you could guarantee Combustion crits on-application and with the trinket could gain a maximum-strength Combustion into a guaranteed, full-crit Combustion. This would be OP. Boomkins don't get affected due to the interaction DoT crits have with Starsurge. Having instant-cast Starsurge nearly always up would be a bit broken, much like Fire with constantly-critting Combust, no?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serene View Post "Can confirm that Warlocks and Shadow Priests get crit% snapshot upon application. Boomkins and Mages don't.

You can read whole this topic http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1263828-5-2-Trinket-Discussion/page3
and its directly explained there why balance SHOULDNT snapshot crit from dots.

https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Multiple-Spell-Critical-Chance-Warlock-Spriest-vs-Moonkin-Mage-t404746.html

[Seyrox]

And can you explain it to me and to merlyn why he got 15 crits from 18 hits with dots ?



Demonolgy Warlock Guide 5.4.8

[africa]

Quote:

Good question. We decided to dig into all of the dots and found they worked pretty inconsistently. (Consistency isn't always critical because it does lead to a certain amount of ***, but too little consistency can just be confusing too.) We made a pass at all of the class dots and made them snapshot crit chance. This will have implications in any simulations out there. However, this has some implications on the Unerring Vision of Lei Shen trinket. We’re tentatively fine with the idea of you seeing that proc go off, and reapplying DoTs which crit for their whole duration, in most cases. There’s a couple cases where those periodic crits cause other effects, which end up being very powerful. For example, a Balance Druid can now apply Moonfire and Sunfire, and pretty much chain instant Starsurges for 15 sec, many of which are extending that Moonfire and Sunfire, probably out to 20-25 sec. That’s extremely strong, but we’re going to try leaving it alone for now. The one which is simply too strong to leave is for Shadow. For Shadow having Unerring Vision and the PvE set bonuses would mean that every SW:P tick guaranteed crits, so spawns a Shadowy Apparition, which has a 65% chance of extending SW:P and VT. And the VT ticks have a 10% chance of spawning a Shadowy Apparition as well. And both can trigger a mastery tick, both of which can also spawn another Shadowy Apparition. The net result is that the feedback loop is so strong that in attainable gear, it’s net positive, resulting in SW:P and VT lasting forever (or at least until you get very unlucky and get a long string of failed procs, which will probably take several minutes to happen). Since 100% crit SW:P and VT that never need to be refreshed is a wee bit too strong, we’re building in a failsafe. We’re fine with you getting a normal SW:P/VT duration of all crits, but not forever. When Shadowy Apparition extends SW:P and VT, and that DoT has already lasted longer than its normal duration, it will recalculate its crit chance. The result should be that the trinket procs, you reapply SW:P/VT, and get 18/15 sec of crits, then they drop to your normal crit chance.

Uhm so he's saying that while having instant starsurges for 20 secs is EXTREMELY STRONG, he is going to leave it alone for now. The next red text says: The one which is simply too strong to leave. This means that even though Owlkin is extremely strong, it doesn't compare to Shadow and for Shadow they can't leave it alone.


http://www.owlkin.org/tag/unerring-vision-of-lei-shen/
This guy says it's a DPS increase and also says it's dynamic.

The trinket is already nerfed for Boomkin via RPPM - Proc rate multiplied by 0.5 for Balance Druids.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=96930/unerring-vision-of-lei-shen - Click RPPM for Balance



Idk why you guys are so pumped up about this trinket. I keep reading it's shit for Balance unless you know a way to exploit it ^.^

[Seyrox]

So i was right and btw its not only for trinkets it's also for the snapshot of dots during burst when you can go to 60% crit chance .



Demonolgy Warlock Guide 5.4.8

[africa]

Changed title.
Balance druid DoTs should be snapshot like Warlock,SP.

Besides what GC said about making all classes snapshot, I found some more discussions:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7923993073
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1264460-Balance-Crit-no-longer-updates-dynamically

Need more proof, blue posts and such.

[africa]

Merged the relevant information in this thread with the Multiple one.

https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Multiple-ALL-classes-DoTs-snapshot-crit-t423370.html