Arena Solo Queue

Scott · Last edited by Scott on 15-06-2016, 15:32:04; edited 1 time in total

1. 2200 2vs2 achievement.
2. 522 min ilvl because now you can get griveous with honor.
3. make that at least you won't join with a player with same spec, because so many people play warrior me as an arms warrior will get with a warrior at least 50% of the time.

bossutai · Posted: 15-06-2016, 15:30:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Scott wrote:

1. 2200 2vs2 rating req.
2. 522 min ilvl because now you can get griveous with honor
3. make that at least you won't join with a player with same spec, because so many people play warrior me as an arms warrior will get with a warrior at least 50% of the time.

1. Ridiculous.... rank 1 is like 2060... with every reset this is going to make soloq unplayable for 1-2 months after the beginning of the season.
2. I think this is ok because grievous is not even hard to get, but there's always the problem of the pve gear (this can't be solved with ilvl requirement).
3. This is the most stupid thing right now. I'm playing double druid in 50% of the time... The main idea of soloq is that you get to play 3v3 with a decent combo and random people (basically you play a combo that can beat any other combo with random people because you're to lazy to find partners).

Shocker · Posted: 15-06-2016, 15:34:45 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

bossutai wrote:

Scott wrote:

1. 2200 2vs2 rating req.
2. 522 min ilvl because now you can get griveous with honor
3. make that at least you won't join with a player with same spec, because so many people play warrior me as an arms warrior will get with a warrior at least 50% of the time.

1. Ridiculous.... rank 1 is like 2060... with every reset this is going to make soloq unplayable for 1-2 months after the beginning of the season.
2. I think this is ok because grievous is not even hard to get, but there's always the problem of the pve gear (this can't be solved with ilvl requirement).
3. This is the most stupid thing right now. I'm playing double druid in 50% of the time... The main idea of soloq is that you get to play 3v3 with a decent combo and random people (basically you play a combo that can beat any other combo with random people because you're to lazy to find partners).

This is EXACTLY what I'm saying, adding random restrictions will ruin the 3v3 solo queue. Still waiting for feedback @ the suggestions posted here, I'm not convinced yet (just ilvl, will be increased soon)

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iordanluis65 · Posted: 15-06-2016, 15:38:43 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Hawtydaboss wrote:

I'm up for the mmr range/rating requirement

+1

Scott · Posted: 15-06-2016, 16:01:47 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

bossutai wrote:

Scott wrote:

1. 2200 2vs2 rating req.
2. 522 min ilvl because now you can get griveous with honor
3. make that at least you won't join with a player with same spec, because so many people play warrior me as an arms warrior will get with a warrior at least 50% of the time.

1. Ridiculous.... rank 1 is like 2060... with every reset this is going to make soloq unplayable for 1-2 months after the beginning of the season.
2. I think this is ok because grievous is not even hard to get, but there's always the problem of the pve gear (this can't be solved with ilvl requirement).
3. This is the most stupid thing right now. I'm playing double druid in 50% of the time... The main idea of soloq is that you get to play 3v3 with a decent combo and random people (basically you play a combo that can beat any other combo with random people because you're to lazy to find partners).

My bad, I wanted to say the 2200 2vs2 achievement.

raven3 · Posted: 15-06-2016, 16:25:07 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Regarding the rating requirement.. I don't think it's a viable idea... especially 2k or 2.2k
solo queue should not be exclusive.. in any way.
Anyone who has a decent amount of gear to enter arenas and be competitive should be able to join solo q.

Regarding the minimum ilvl for joining .. 522 is too high right now IMO.
It should be raised maybe to 510 and after a month to 522.

pve gear downscale should be set right now to 522 and raised to 550 after a month (whould be best if it could be set to ~540 like it was on retail ..but I understand that's not easy to implement)

But IMO the main problem is how the teams are generated right now. We should look for ideas how to make it so that players would be assigned in teams with other players that are closest to their MMR , regardless of who joined first or how long they are waiting in queue.

Yakul · Posted: 15-06-2016, 16:42:55 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

@Shocker - we are just trying to make Solo Q better.
Seems like many people think the custom mmr will work and I am one of them. I think that's atm the most important thing to add along with IL, if it works out maybe you won't have to put ach. requirement.

mental^depress · Posted: 15-06-2016, 16:51:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Shocker wrote:

This is EXACTLY what I'm saying, adding random restrictions will ruin the 3v3 solo queue. Still waiting for feedback @ the suggestions posted here, I'm not convinced yet (just ilvl, will be increased soon)

No, the restrictions won't ruin the 3v3 solo queue, it will only prevent the players that have 0 game knowledge to queue, so, from that, they will queue only after they will understand what the added requirement is about.
Raise the ilvl requirement to 522, its enough, since now you can get full grievous from BGS, 522 is the perfect barrier.

Add a 2v2 rating requirement, at least 1800. ( 1800 may not be much but is enough for a player to at least start building a brain at the game. )

Also, set the PVE Downscale to 500. Yes, 500, because there are more than 10 people who queue with full PVE gear and destroy others in arenas. The PvE gear makes a huge difference right now in solo queue and also in 2v2 / 3v3. People are coming from their raids and are queueing full PvE and they can one shot anyone pretty easily, especially the beginner players.

// Fix the solo queue ( duo queue ) exploit ( You already know about it ). Already half of the top 50 players in soloqueue are abusing it to do rating. Just have a look in the top 20 players on the soloqueue ladder logs, and just check how many times they were matched with the same person in a row. If this isn't going to be fixed anytime soon, then, reset the ladder after it will get fixed, there's no point into having players playing with ''ease'' and remain there in the top while others are matched with random parteners that die in 10 seconds without using cooldowns and so.

raven3 · Posted: 15-06-2016, 17:09:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

mental^depress
Overall I'm against rating requirements but if it were to be implemented it should be like this IMO :
What rating would an average-decent player reach RIGHT NOW in 2v2 because you always have to take into consideration new players and players who raise new chars.
I would say 1600 tops

PVE downscale is tricky and needs to be done. A bad player in full pve (without rezil bonus) can die in a matter of seconds while a good player in full pve can oneshot people. This aspect should be adressed very seriously because blizz put some serious effort into making sure that people have to wear pvp gear in arenas.
I think you are right on this one. the pve downscale should be lower than the minimum requirement so that people would have to wear pvp gear in solo q.

Yeah.. the duo exploit is real. I was queued yesterday vs a paly and a rogue 3 times in a row.. can't be a coincidence.

Yakul · Posted: 15-06-2016, 17:24:58 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

raven3 wrote:

Yeah.. the duo exploit is real. I was queued yesterday vs a paly and a rogue 3 times in a row.. can't be a coincidence.

I played 4-5 times with them ret/rog combo. Some other people are using it as well. I don't know how to stop it, but you should carefully chose the rewards for 3v3 solo q. If it stays this way, you shouldn't give any titles or mounts. Way too many people are exploiting duo q.

raven3 · Posted: 15-06-2016, 17:34:08 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

well.. we have 3 more months to go until this season ends ... so IMO if this exploit gets fixed, then the ladder will be legit and titles can be awarded. There is still time .. 1800 won't be even in top 150 when the season will end.

Hawtydaboss · Posted: 15-06-2016, 20:22:57 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

I really liked the idea about the pve downscale to 500,it really makes sense since the aim here is to play pvp with pvp gear,i queued some solo on my shaman earlier today and some warlock that's full pve just dropped me from 520k to 120k insta then i died from dot ticks which were ticking so *** fast,even troll racial was up i was just stoned...

@Rating requirement,don't add 2200 cr requirement for sure.Add either 1800/2000/2200 rating requirement from statistics (lifetime) or just an achievement between 2000/2200...(it's exactly the same except 1800 since there is no 1800 achievement).

@rewards: if you guys think about giving gladiator titles,rival titles,duelist,etc in this mess that will be your worst EVER decision...And i'm still against giving arena titles to this bracket.

However,the main problem here is that mmr shit,i'm thinking about some decision and still nothing comes on my mind,but if you don't implement that custom mmr system at least lower the rating radius,300 is way too much,100 should be okay...Like Yakul said,this bracket is really filled with braindeads(sorry for being rude,but that's true).It's just unplayable,especially for healers.And no,with more restrictions you won't make the bracket less playable,the current state is making people quit it.At least add some more rewards like this 30 wins quest,so the nerves lost can be worth it,and trust me people can really make you lose your temper.

Plus,i kinda feel really shit and awkward for giving all that critisism,cuz we all were like "gogo implement soloq" and in fact we expected good results,but these players are just far from PvP.And the worst part is that we made shocker do it and now we all jump on his back with all these suggestions and shits we talk...

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bossutai · Posted: 16-06-2016, 13:54:24 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

^ soloq is fine. There are 2-3 problems but seriously i enjoy playing 3v3 (that's the idea of the soloq... it was never meant to be perfect, but to stimulate the 3v3 in order to not get bored AF while jumping in elwynn/killing chickens/deers)

NoNameGlad · Posted: 16-06-2016, 15:27:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

bossutai wrote:

^ soloq is fine. There are 2-3 problems but seriously i enjoy playing 3v3 (that's the idea of the soloq... it was never meant to be perfect, but to stimulate the 3v3 in order to not get bored AF while jumping in elwynn/killing chickens/deers)

Yes, but we still need MMR system.

I have nothing agaist pve / pvp / w/e gear they want as long as it is in their mmr range. As i healar i can't get past 1.7k mmr. Why ? Cuz reasons. Read what Hawty wrote.

Even 200 mmr seems way too far for now. Guys are complaining that they are not getting instant Q ? No matter. As far as i can remember even on ATR (sorry) you didn't get instant Q. The thing is that everyone is starting with 1500 mmr,ok fine, but at 1700 rate you're still in that range because you just can't get over.

Make the mmr range from 300 to 200 (seems ok-ISH).

Except this ... meh. Everything will get better in time. Even Non-pvp players will have the least ideea in a few months of what to do in an arena if they continue queuing.

Turbokill1337 · Posted: 16-06-2016, 15:56:56 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

An easy fix to duo q abuse is to hide how many healers/dps are in q and simply show total players, regarding pve gear i already made a topic @romanian zone and hopefully soon that problem will be sorted, regarding inexperienced players it's kinda what soloq is about [playing solo, get it ? only you playing hehe? ok..] it's what separates from real 3v3 where you play with skype, in soloq you have to adapt to what your partners are playing like, even tho i agree as a healer being the only one who plays decent in your team against decent dps you are in a disadvantage, soloq is kinda like rolling the dice.

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